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FROM: Michael Cervieri
DATE: Wed 23:51
SUBJ: [wwwac] Yahoo / Redcross

i was on the phone today with representatives from the united way 
(was doing a story). they told me that they were receiving 4-5 
donations a minute off their web site as compared to the usual 4-5 
per week that they received on average before yesterday. just fyi.

michael

At 10:28 AM -0700 9/12/01, Adam Fialkov wrote:
 >ANyone have a link to donate money to the red cross through Yahoo PayDirect?
 >
 >AF






FROM: Chris Poterala
DATE: Wed 23:46
SUBJ: [wwwac] Pale Blue Dot

http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/pale_blue_dot.html


Peace
chris


chris poterala
chris@...
http://www.potsie.com






FROM: Rick Ellis
DATE: Thu 03:42
SUBJ: [wwwac] Give A Shout Out Please

 >
 >there are levels of friendship and communication...
 >
 >i wouldn't be thinking about certain people under other circumstances - the 
 >distant family member and friends of friends such as their AA flight 
 >attendant buddies i've met socially (yet i couldn't be sure i'd recognize 
 >their names). i'm thinking about them now because i haven't heard anything 
 >and it's unsettling.
 >

I've had similiar experiences during the past couple of days. There are 
quite a few folks I know from my financial reporting days who worked at some 
of the companies who seemed to have lost much of their staff. They worked in 
offices located at the top of one or both towers, and most of them are 
presumed dead.

It's an odd thing. I was thinking a lot today about a market strategist who 
worked Cantor Fitzgerald. No official word yet, but I've gotten a number of 
calls from people today wanting to know if I've heard anything about him. I 
can't say we knew each other all that well, but I talked to him every week, 
and he was much nicer to me than he should have been, given our respective 
positions in the industry. He was a well-known figure and I was just a grunt 
reporter. He didn't need to be so helpful. He was because he was just a 
hellofa guy.

I have a sinking feeling he didn't make it. And I have the same suspicions 
about a number of other people I dealt with on a regular basis. They're not 
family...or even close friends. But the world will seem a little less bright 
without them.

This can be a sad, hard life sometimes. And my thoughts go out to all of 
their loved ones.

Rick Ellis
www.allyourtv.com


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FROM: hens
DATE: Wed 23:50
SUBJ: [wwwac] Flag Image

On 9/12/01 at 11:15 PM -0700, Venessa Perez wrote:

 > I remember some in the list earlier were wondering if there were some good
 > flag images to post on their web sites, well apperantly lycos.com had the
 > same sentiment:
 >
 > http://clubs.lycos.com/live/events/september11.asp

I'm not doubting the good intentions, but sheesh, it _is_ a little bit
corny don't you think?


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FROM: hens
DATE: Wed 23:52
SUBJ: [wwwac] Penn Station and Empire State Building EVAC

On 9/12/01 at 10:44 PM -0700, Venessa Perez wrote:

 > False Alarm.

I can't find out anything about this. I live near the Empire State. Should
I bother trying to get home or just crash at the office?


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FROM: FB`
DATE: Wed 23:52
SUBJ: [wwwac] Ominous rhetoric?

hens <hens@...>:

 > http://1010wins.com/topstories/StoryFolder/story_1700772955_html?pp=1
 > 
 > I don't know. I know the situation is bad, but this kind of slimey
 > agit-prop creeps me out:
 > 
 > > And we saw the memorable moments.

this guy is not so off in what he sees as he is in where he sees it.

the memorable moments did not come from the people singing on those steps,
nor did they come from the president's speeches.

the images i will always see when i think of this are far more human, far
less sanctioned, and were barely caught out of the corner of many shaky
camera eyes in downtown ny and at the pentagon.

these images are of people helping others, to stand up, to walk, to ...

enough








FROM: Leah Cunningham
DATE: Thu 00:00
SUBJ: [wwwac] Fwd: Emergency Services Information for the N.Y.C. Area



Leah Cunningham
Partner
Metre, LLC
646-298-6262
leah@...



 >From: "The New York Times Direct" <NYTDirect@... >
 >Reply-To: "The New York Times Direct" <NYTDirect@... >
 >To: leah_cunningham@...
 >Subject: Emergency Services Information for the N.Y.C. Area
 >Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:45:31 -0500
 >
 >New York City-area Emergency Services and Resources From
 >The New York Times on the Web
 >Wednesday, September 12, 2001
 >---------------------------------
 >
 >NYTimes.com has compiled the following list of emergency resources and
 >contact information for the New York City area. Closings and some
 >contact numbers may be subject to change. For news and information
 >throughout the day, visit:
 >http://www.nytimes.com
 >
 >
 >BLOOD DONATIONS
 >
 >Manhattan
 >- New York Blood Center
 >310 East 67th Street (between First and Second Aves.)
 >150 Amsterdam Avenue (66-67th Streets)
 >
 >- St. Clare's Hospital & Health Center
 >426 W. 52nd St.
 >212-586-1500
 >
 >- St. Vincent's Hospital & Medical Center
 >7th Ave. at 11th St.
 >212-604-7000
 >
 >
 >Brooklyn
 >- New York Blood Center
 >120 Lawrence St. near MetroTech
 >212-586-1500
 >
 >- St. Mary's Hospital
 >170 Buffalo Ave.
 >718-221-3000
 >
 >
 >Queens
 >- Flushing: St. Joseph's Hospital
 >15840 79th Ave.
 >718-558-6200
 >
 >- Jamaica: St. Vincent's Medical Center of Richmond
 >355 Bard Ave.
 >718-876-1234
 >
 >
 >Staten Island
 >- Mary Immaculate Hospital
 >15211 89th Ave.
 >718-558-2000
 >
 >
 >Westchester
 >- Elmsford
 >525 Executive Boulevard
 >
 >
 >New Jersey
 >- New Brunswick
 >167 New Street
 >
 >
 >For more details on available donor locations, call 1-800-448-3543
 >(GIVE-LIFE), 1-800-933-2566 or visit:
 >http://www.nybloodcenter.org
 >
 >-----
 >
 >HOTLINES
 >
 >Main New York City Numbers:
 >- NYC Emergency Information: 212-560-2730
 >- NYPD Emergency Information: 212-741-4626 or 866-856-4167
 >
 >Airlines:
 >- American Airlines: 1-800-245-0999
 >American Airlines Statement
 >http://www.aa.com/
 >
 >- United Airlines: 1-800-932-8555
 >United Airlines Statement
 >http://www.ual.com/
 >
 >United also has established its international toll-free numbers for
 >friends or family members who want more information. Those numbers are:
 >The Netherlands: 020504051
 >Germany: 06966985407
 >Italy: 024829813
 >Belgium: 027133646
 >France: 0169199659
 >
 >Victim Information:
 >- Red Cross WTC Victim Information: 212-604-7285
 >- WTC: AON Employees: 203-863-6380
 >- WTC: Morgan Stanley Employees: 888-883-4391
 >- WTC: Carr Future: 800-755-7620
 >- WTC: Cantor Fitzgerald: 866-326-3188
 >- WTC: Pitney Bowes: 800-932-3631
 >- Pentagon Employees: 1-877-663-6772
 >- Fire Department and EMT Employees: 718-999-2541
 >- Police Department Employees: 718-677-8238
 >
 >New York City Hospitals:
 >- St. Vincent's Hospital: 212-604-7285
 >- Bellevue Hospital Center: 212-562-4141
 >- Coler Memorial Hospital: 212-848-6300
 >- Goldwater Memorial Hospital: 212-318-8000
 >- Gouverneur Hospital D&TC: 212-238-7000
 >
 >Other City Services:
 >- City Mortuary: 212-562-3051
 >- Chief Medical Examiner: 212-447-2030
 >
 >Grief Counseling:
 >- Lincoln Medical and Mental Health Center: 718-579-5000
 >- Metropolitan Hospital Center: 212-423-6262
 >- St. Vincent's Health Crisis Center: 212-604-8220
 >- Department of Mental Health Services: 212-442-5000
 >
 >-----
 >
 >TRANSIT
 >
 >Subways:
 >Most service has resumed with the exception of the 3, C, and the Q
 >Express.
 >
 >City Buses:
 >Buses are operating in Manhattan above 14th Street.
 >
 >For complete details on bus and subway service, visit the MTA Web site:
 >http://www.mta.nyc.ny.us/emergency/emernyct.htm
 >
 >
 >Roads, Bridges and Tunnels:
 >- The Lincoln and Holland Tunnels and George Washington Bridge are
 >closed in both directions.
 >- FDR Drive and the West Side Highway are closed from 92nd St. to the
 >Battery.
 >- The Triborough, Throgs Neck, Whitestone and 59th Street bridges are
 >open.
 >
 >
 >Trains
 >- Grand Central Station and Penn Station have both reopened and Long
 >Island Railroad, Metro-North and New Jersey Transit are all running
 >with limited service. PATH Trains are also in service.
 >
 >For additional updates and information, visit the following Web sites:
 >
 >Long Island Railroad (LIRR)
 >http://www.mta.nyc.ny.us/emergency/emerlirr.htm
 >
 >Metro-North Railroad
 >http://www.mta.nyc.ny.us/emergency/emermnr.htm
 >
 >New Jersey Transit
 >http://www.njtransit.com/ta_advisorynotices.jsp
 >
 >
 >Ferries
 >- The Staten Island Ferry is running in the Staten Island-bound
 >direction only.
 >- New York Waterway Ferries are running outbound only between 38th St.,
 >Weehawken and Hoboken with no charge.
 >
 >
 >Airports
 >- All U.S. airports are closed until further notice.
 >
 >Airline Information Lines:
 >Relatives of American Airlines passengers seeking information about
 >relatives may call 1-800-245-0999.
 >
 >United Airlines said friends or family members seeking information on
 >flights may call 1-800-932-8555. United also plans to post any
 >information it has on its Web site:
 >http://www.united.com
 >
 >-----
 >
 >CLOSINGS AND SERVICE CHANGES
 >
 >The following are closed or suspended today:
 >- All U.S. Financial Markets
 >- All U.S. Airports
 >- Businesses in Manhattan below 14th St.
 >- New York City Public Schools
 >- New York City Parochial Schools
 >- Empire State Building
 >- New York City State and Federal Courts, including Jury Duty. For
 >information call 1-800-692-6878 (NY-COURTS)
 >- Metropolitan Museum
 >- New York Public Library
 >- Fordham University
 >- St. John's University
 >- Mailbox Pickup (Post offices are open)
 >- Street cleaning
 >- Alternate side of the street parking rules
 >
 >The following are open today:
 >- Newark Public Schools
 >- Post Offices
 >- CUNY schools
 >
 >
 >-----
 >
 >Donations
 >
 >The United Way of New York and the New York Community Trust have
 >established a fund to help the victims of the attacks and their
 >families. The September Eleventh Fund will provide immediate support to
 >established emergency assistance agencies. Anyone wishing to contribute
 >may send their donations in care of United Way, 2 Park Ave, New York,
 >New York, 10016, or call: (212) 251-4035.
 >
 >Donations are also being accepted on United Way of New York City's Web 
 >site:
 >http://www.uwnyc.org.
 >
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FROM: hens
DATE: Thu 00:00
SUBJ: [wwwac] Pale Blue Dot

On 9/12/01 at 11:46 PM -0400, Chris Poterala wrote:

 > http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/pale_blue_dot.html

Thanks...


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FROM: Andrew Gideon
DATE: Thu 00:01
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rebuild then now

 >Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 23:09:25 -0400
 >From: Brooklyn Linux Solutions <ruben@... >
 >
 >That doesn't suprise me.  You tend to belittle thoses who disagree with
 >you.

I don't expect you to see the difference, but I don't belittle
those that disagree with me.  I do, however, aid in the process
when people spout off contrary to fact.

I suppose it's a personal failing.  I really do enjoy a good
discussion, and even more a good debate.  But when people just 
ignore reality, then I get annoyed.  First of all, there's
no joy anymore to the discussion.  If reality is ignored, then
we've no common basis with which to communicate.

Second, it would be a disservice to this community if I
permitted the chance that anyone actually believes you.
Now, others have already commented upon your "no aircraft
overfly Midtown" comment, so I suppose the risk here is low.

 >I've lived most of my life in the shadow of JFK and I am quite aware of
 >plane traffic, and height.

Well, I guess that you've certainly better facts than
my documentation of arrivals, approachs, and departures
to/from the three major airports here.  Why, I'm sure
that you're completely ready to fly in this airspace, 
expert that you are, just from memory.

BTW, do you see what I've done?  I've pointed out - again - 
how you're ignoring facts, and preferring to go with your
own opinions w/o regard to reality, documentation, or the
like.  True, I'm doing it in a sarcastic way.  But it gets
tiring writing just "no, that's not correct".

A subtle difference to you, perhaps, but this is not quite
the same thing as if you and I were merely disagreeing about
some matter of opinion.

 >Manhattan does not suffer the traffic heights of BCanarsie.  

I don't know what this means.

 >                                                             And I've flown
 >in and out of all three airports numerous times and EVERY time they fly
 >AROUND manhattan Island.

So no doubt the documentation I have is wrong.  We should
notify the FAA, as this material is what pilots use to fly
to/from those airports. 

 >Yes, I would shoot down any Jet that verged into Manhattan air space below
 >an accepted hieght.  You can not have Jet Liners even by accident crashing
 >into an office tower.

Based upon the accuracy of your other statements, I doubt it.

But if it's true, if you'd be willing to shoot down an aircraft
that might or might not hit something, just because there was
some risk of it hitting something, well, I'm glad that you're
not in charge.

But there's another point.  In your reality, do you imagine
something like a Star Trek phaser, where you fire it and
the target disintegrates?  Well, we don't quite have that
just yet.  We're stuck with missiles that damage an aircraft, 
but that leave debris in the air with the ex-aircraft's 
kinetic energy.

Even if you do manage to break up the entire aircraft, that
debris is still going to cause a lot of damage (think of a 
shotgun).  And the chances are greater that you'd simply 
render the aircraft unflyable, but still in a small number 
of large pieces.

You've also mentioned altitude as a factor, claiming that
Manhatten is safe as long as the aircraft stay high when
crossing the island.  But permit me to introduce Kinetic
Energy's friend, Potential Energy.  

The class B airspace goes up only to 7000' MSL.  Above 
that is class E airspace.  So our not-friendly airliner
might be up there, when the pilot decides to nose over.

Now, I've no idea how quickly this would exceed Vne, 
or even whether the airframe would survive the descent.
But assuming 200 Kts (which would be at the far low
end!), you've about 19 seconds.  And nothing you're going
to do is going to make much difference, because you're
about to have a major mass with lots of energy (and
likely a good bit of burning fuel) hit the city.  The 
number of chunks is of almost academic interest.

	- Andrew













FROM: Eileen 'Turtle' Parzek
DATE: Wed 23:58
SUBJ: [wwwac] (amended): out of my stupor for a moment...


ps. You don't have to be homeless. Even if you're just looking for an 
escape for a few days, some fresh air, whatever...

pps. I can offer wwwackie references that I'm not a hillbilly ax murderer ; )



 > >Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:34:06 -0400
 > >To: wwwAC <wwwac@... >
 > >From: Eileen 'Turtle' Parzek <turtle@... >
 > >Subject: out of my stupor for a moment...
 > >
 > >Hi,
 > >
 > >I am sorry I haven't thought of this earlier, in the midst of my own 
 > >stunned reactions to what happened down there... it just now occurred to 
 > >me that there must be a lot of people who live and work downtown who 
 > >can't go home or to work for a while... and I know this might seem like a 
 > >silly offer, but if anyone wants (or can) hop a train or a bus upstate, I 
 > >have sleeping space for two people here in Albany, NY.   The air is 
 > >clean, and the weather gorgeous, <snip > and I'm between projects right 
 > >now so I could actually amuse guests for the next week if need 
 > >be.   Email me or call the cell # below if I can help someone in this way.
 >
 >~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~
 >Eileen "Turtle" Parzek ~  phone~ 518-505-6617
 >http://www.turtlesweb.com  mailto:turtle@...
 >digital artist ~ information architect ~ project mgr ~ consultant

~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~
Eileen "Turtle" Parzek ~  phone~ 518-505-6617
http://www.turtlesweb.com  mailto:turtle@...
digital artist ~ information architect ~ project mgr ~ consultant








FROM: Venessa Perez
DATE: Thu 00:04
SUBJ: [wwwac] Flag Image

Compared to the standard of some graphic artists in here? It's very
sub-standard, but I've seen way worse throughout the day and this one seems
to have a chance of catching on, unless someone in the list can do
something? I've gone through so many sites today and maybe 2 or 3 mentioned
anything about what has happened, I agree that our web sites should function
as usual but having an acknowledgement that this has indeed occured helps -
at least it does for me.


V...


----- Original Message -----
From: "hens" <hens@...>
To: "Venessa Perez" <venessa@... >; <wwwac@... >
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: [wwwac] Flag Image


 > On 9/12/01 at 11:15 PM -0700, Venessa Perez wrote:
 >
 >  > I remember some in the list earlier were wondering if there were some
good
 >  > flag images to post on their web sites, well apperantly lycos.com had
the
 >  > same sentiment:
 >  >
 >  > http://clubs.lycos.com/live/events/september11.asp
 >
 > I'm not doubting the good intentions, but sheesh, it _is_ a little bit
 > corny don't you think?
 >
 >
 > --
 >                          <http://www.monospace.com>
 >                          You are visitor number one.
 >
 >






FROM: Scott Bowling
DATE: Thu 00:05
SUBJ: [wwwac] Any announcement about air quality warning

On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:39:44 -0400
hens <hens@...> wrote:
 >
 > On 9/12/01 at 4:34 PM -0700, Scott Wickham wrote:
 > 
 >  > Here on the upper west side I can now smell the buring.  Was 
 >  > wondering if any recommendations about it.
 > 
 > Don't breathe.
 > Yes, the stench has been all over the city now that the winds have turned.
 > 
 >from http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/living/DailyNews/wtc_healthhazards010911.html

     Health Hazards
     Attacks Pose Continued Dangers for Some

     Doctors to New Yorkers: Stay Inside

And I just closed my windows (Upper East Side on 86th) because I was
smelling the smell, and when I went outside on the terrace to take a
look I was struck by the intensity of it as well as the haze everywhere.
Just incredible.

The above article discusses things like the potential risks,  who is
most at risk as well as masks and how to deal with the situation.

Scott






FROM: Venessa Perez
DATE: Thu 00:10
SUBJ: [wwwac] Penn Station and Empire State Building EVAC

Last I heard the situations did not exist, the Empire bomb nor the
evacuation of Penn Station, this was stated by several officials. As for
staying in the office or going home, man wherever you feel the most safe.

Sleep tight,
V...



----- Original Message -----
From: "hens" <hens@...>
To: "Venessa Perez" <venessa@... >; <wwwac@... >
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: [wwwac] Penn Station and Empire State Building EVAC


 > On 9/12/01 at 10:44 PM -0700, Venessa Perez wrote:
 >
 >  > False Alarm.
 >
 > I can't find out anything about this. I live near the Empire State. Should
 > I bother trying to get home or just crash at the office?
 >
 >
 > --
 >                          <http://www.monospace.com>
 >                          You are visitor number one.
 >
 >






FROM: Roy Pardi
DATE: Thu 00:09
SUBJ: [wwwac] 'nother perspective

At 11:31 PM -0400 9/12/01, Michael Cervieri wrote:
 ><x-flowed >//www.commondreams.org/views01/0912-01.htm
 >
 >
 >                       Who Saw It Coming?
 >                       by Alexander Cockburn and Jeffrey St Clair
 >


Alexander Cockburn is an ass. Don't you know that yet?
-- 

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FROM: Brooklyn Linux Solutions
DATE: Thu 00:11
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rebuild then now

I expect it to have less debrise, than say, 2 World Trade.


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FROM: Joanna Wissinger
DATE: Wed 22:35
SUBJ: [wwwac] Any announcement about air quality warning

At 10:07 PM -0400 9/12/01, Frank D. Greco wrote:

 >	When I arrived home in NJ via ferry, they hosed everyone
 >	upon arrival.  I'm sure they are concerned about asbestos
 >	dust, since the towers were built a while back.


my father is currently suffering from asbestos-related cancer ... I 
think the asbestos restrictions were instituted in the early 70s. The 
Towers were built in 1973, so you could be right.
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FROM: Brigitte.Defoort@...
DATE: Thu 00:18
SUBJ: [wwwac] Penn Station and Empire State Building EVAC

THANKS ! :) a  l o t !

SWEET DREAMS
Brigitte Defoort
Sr Recruiter
http://www.atvera.com
NYC: +1 917 215 0338
NYC: +1 646 710 1912
vm/fax: 877 379 6033



-----Original Message-----
From: Venessa Perez <mailto:venessa@... >
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:10 AM
To: wwwac@...
Subject: Re: [wwwac] Penn Station and Empire State Building EVAC


Last I heard the situations did not exist, the Empire bomb nor the
evacuation of Penn Station, this was stated by several officials. As for
staying in the office or going home, man wherever you feel the most safe.

Sleep tight,
V...



----- Original Message -----
From: "hens" <hens@...>
To: "Venessa Perez" <venessa@... >; <wwwac@... >
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: [wwwac] Penn Station and Empire State Building EVAC


 > On 9/12/01 at 10:44 PM -0700, Venessa Perez wrote:
 >
 >  > False Alarm.
 >
 > I can't find out anything about this. I live near the Empire State. Should
 > I bother trying to get home or just crash at the office?
 >
 >
 > --
 >                          <http://www.monospace.com>
 >                          You are visitor number one.
 >
 >


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FROM: Scott Bowling
DATE: Thu 00:17
SUBJ: [wwwac] (amended): out of my stupor for a moment...

On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 23:58:18 -0400
"Eileen 'Turtle' Parzek" <turtle@... > wrote:
 > 
 > ps. You don't have to be homeless. Even if you're just looking for an 
 > escape for a few days, some fresh air, whatever...
 > 
 > pps. I can offer wwwackie references that I'm not a hillbilly ax murderer ; )
 > 
Oh, yeah. I can certainly attest to the fact that she's no hillbilly.

And maybe the other point is like the guy from Sling Blade, "Don't
recall ever using an axe before."

Scott
(apologies for the gallows humor -- still not quite phased with reality)






FROM: Timothy Embler
DATE: Wed 21:16
SUBJ: [wwwac] Penn Station and Empire State Building EVAC

It is confirmed that they evacuated empire state bldg but unconfirmed if
they evacuated penn station.

I am home, glad to be here too.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: Venessa Perez [mailto:venessa@... 
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:10 AM
To: wwwac@...
Subject: Re: [wwwac] Penn Station and Empire State Building EVAC


Last I heard the situations did not exist, the Empire bomb nor the
evacuation of Penn Station, this was stated by several officials. As for
staying in the office or going home, man wherever you feel the most
safe.

Sleep tight,
V...



----- Original Message -----
From: "hens" <hens@...>
To: "Venessa Perez" <venessa@... >; <wwwac@... >
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: [wwwac] Penn Station and Empire State Building EVAC


 > On 9/12/01 at 10:44 PM -0700, Venessa Perez wrote:
 >
 >  > False Alarm.
 >
 > I can't find out anything about this. I live near the Empire State. 
 > Should I bother trying to get home or just crash at the office?
 >
 >
 > --
 >                          <http://www.monospace.com>
 >                          You are visitor number one.
 >
 >









FROM: Brooklyn Linux Solutions
DATE: Thu 00:18
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rebuild then now

I see planes in an tango line heading to JFK from my house as well.  But
they are not dropped down.  Really, there is no need to fly over Manhattan
at all.  They can redirect flight patterns around Manhattan in a circle.  I
never flew OVER Manhattan.
Really, the air space, like the coast line, needs military control.

Ruben


On 2001.09.13 00:28:02 -0400 Peter Shankman wrote:
OK, perhaps they're going into Newark, then. But I can tell you, looking 
North out of my 25th floor window, there are lines of planes. Lines. All 
night, up until late, every night. First time visitors to my apartment 
always seem to notice it.

-Peter

At 09:21 PM 9/12/01 -0400, Brooklyn Linux Solutions wrote:
 >At a Height.
 >
 >
 >BTW - The route to Laugaurdia is around Manhattan over the Triboro Brigde
 >into
 >LI Sound to Lagardia...
 >
 >It is not - cross Midtwon Manhattan at low height.
 >
 >
 >Ruben
 >
 >On 2001.09.13 00:21:42 -0400 Peter Shankman wrote:
 >Are you kidding? I live on 43rd St on the West Side, and every single
 >night, there's a line of planes going into LaGuardia, into Newark, etc...
 >Planes fly over the city ALL the time. I've done 30 second exposures with
 >my camera, and you'll see 3, 4, 5, even six lines of light.
 >
 >-Peter
 >
 >At 08:28 PM 9/12/01 -0400, you wrote:
 >  >I've never seens a plane fly over head in Manhattan
 >  >
 >  >It's just a matter of keeping planes on the correct routes, or shoot
them
 >  >down.
 >  >
 >  >Air Space above NYC and Mnahattan is controlled.  Now it need to be
 >  >controlled by force.
 >
 >
 >
 >Peter Shankman
 >peter@...
 >www.shankman.com
 >
 >"While the storm clouds gather far across the sea,
 >Let us swear allegiance to a land that's free,
 >Let us all be grateful for a land so fair,
 >As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer."
 >
 >
 >--
 >Brooklyn Linux Solutions
 >http://www.mrbrklyn.com
 >http://www.brooklynonline.com
 >
 >1-718-382-5752



Peter Shankman
peter@...
www.shankman.com

"While the storm clouds gather far across the sea,
Let us swear allegiance to a land that's free,
Let us all be grateful for a land so fair,
As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer."


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http://www.mrbrklyn.com
http://www.brooklynonline.com

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FROM: Josh & Valerie McCormack
DATE: Thu 00:25
SUBJ: [wwwac] Emergency Web Site Assistance

yes, on an "hourly basis"

grimmwerks@... wrote:

 > Perhaps she was donating her time.
 >
 > On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, mike dizon wrote:
 >
 >  > you are no better than the looters in Brooklyn
 >  >
 >  > ----- Original Message -----
 >  > From: May S. Young <may@... >
 >  > To: WWWAC Listserve <wwwac@... >
 >  > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:28 PM
 >  > Subject: [wwwac] Emergency Web Site Assistance
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >  > Hello Fellow WWWAC's.
 >  >  >
 >  >  > I was just curious to see if there are any NYC or Federal based
 >  >  > emergency web sites that needs a hand with updating information on an
 >  >  > hourly (or less) basis.  I'm a web designer with HTML and Javascript
 >  >  > experience.
 >  >  >
 >  >  > Any suggestions?
 >  >  >
 >  >  > Thanx.
 >  >  >
 >  >  > Regards,
 >  >  >
 >  >  >
 >  >  > May S. Young
 >  >  >
 >  >  > h   i   r   e   g   u   n   .   c   o   m
 >  >  > --------------------------------------------
 >  >  > graphics for web and multimedia
 >  >  >
 >  >  > contact - may s. young
 >  >  > vox -  845 365 1903
 >  >  > email - may@...
 >  >  > URL - http://www.hiregun.com






FROM: Martha Bernholz
DATE: Wed 22:20
SUBJ: [wwwac] I know this is unrealistic but... HELP!

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My brother-in-law was on the 105th of the north tower. I am in New Mexico
and my family is frantic. They have made the rounds of the all the hospitals
and there is simply no sign of him.

What we need, and what many many people need, is an up to date online
database of who is in what hospital.  I know this is unrealistic, but is
this something someone there can try to do?

I know there are a number of "we are ok" lists, but the sites are
overwhelmed.

Thanks,

Martha


..............................................................
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Creative Director, Ziamedia
http://www.ziamedia.com
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FROM: hens
DATE: Thu 00:24
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rebuild, rebuild!!

On 9/12/01 at 9:51 PM -0400, eric wrote:

 > >Let them rebuild.  Let the new center be a beacon of information and
 > >communication.....
 >
 > What would it cost to use structual titanium?

Uhm... about the difference in price between a G4 PowerBook and an iBook?


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FROM: hens
DATE: Thu 00:26
SUBJ: [wwwac] Penn Station and Empire State Building EVAC

Good. It would have been a little bit surprising, considered that that
block has been cordoned off since Tuesday morning.

Then again, it now is once more New York's tallest building :(


On 9/13/01 at 12:10 AM -0700, Venessa Perez wrote:

 > Last I heard the situations did not exist, the Empire bomb nor the


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FROM: mrs.j.hart
DATE: Thu 00:38
SUBJ: [wwwac] Give A Shout Out Please

 > It's an odd thing. I was thinking a lot today about a market strategist
who worked Cantor Fitzgerald.

i read Todd Harrison in Real Money referring to Bill Meehan.102nd floor...
doesn't inspire much hope...

thanks to you and paul for responding - glad for offlist responses too.

who am i? who is mr.j?
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Ellis <rickontv@... >
To: <wwwac@... >
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: [wwwac] Give A Shout Out Please


 >  >
 >  >there are levels of friendship and communication...
 >  >
 >  >i wouldn't be thinking about certain people under other circumstances -
the
 >  >distant family member and friends of friends such as their AA flight
 >  >attendant buddies i've met socially (yet i couldn't be sure i'd recognize
 >  >their names). i'm thinking about them now because i haven't heard
anything
 >  >and it's unsettling.
 >  >
 >
 > I've had similiar experiences during the past couple of days. There are
 > quite a few folks I know from my financial reporting days who worked at
some
 > of the companies who seemed to have lost much of their staff. They worked
in
 > offices located at the top of one or both towers, and most of them are
 > presumed dead.
 >
 > It's an odd thing. I was thinking a lot today about a market strategist
who
 > worked Cantor Fitzgerald. No official word yet, but I've gotten a number
of
 > calls from people today wanting to know if I've heard anything about him.
I
 > can't say we knew each other all that well, but I talked to him every
week,
 > and he was much nicer to me than he should have been, given our respective
 > positions in the industry. He was a well-known figure and I was just a
grunt
 > reporter. He didn't need to be so helpful. He was because he was just a
 > hellofa guy.
 >
 > I have a sinking feeling he didn't make it. And I have the same suspicions
 > about a number of other people I dealt with on a regular basis. They're
not
 > family...or even close friends. But the world will seem a little less
bright
 > without them.
 >
 > This can be a sad, hard life sometimes. And my thoughts go out to all of
 > their loved ones.
 >
 > Rick Ellis
 > www.allyourtv.com
 >
 >
 > _________________________________________________________________
 > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp







FROM: Scott Bowling
DATE: Thu 00:31
SUBJ: [wwwac] Any announcement about air quality warning

On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:35:31 -0400
Joanna Wissinger <joanna@... > wrote:
 >
 > At 10:07 PM -0400 9/12/01, Frank D. Greco wrote:
 > 
 >  >When I arrived home in NJ via ferry, they hosed everyone upon 
 >  >arrival.  I'm sure they are concerned about asbestos dust, since the 
 >  >towers were built a while back.
 > 
 > my father is currently suffering from asbestos-related cancer ... I 
 > think the asbestos restrictions were instituted in the early 70s. The 
 > Towers were built in 1973, so you could be right.
 > 
Especially since the Towers were actually opened in 70, with the
official ribbon cutting in 73. Groundbreaking was August 5, 1966.

Your father's situation is tragic, and I hope that everyone risking
exposure is wearing enough protection to prevent further tragedy.

Scott






FROM: Thomas Walser
DATE: Thu 01:02
SUBJ: [wwwac] earthlink access not working

hi,

i've been offline for about 24 hours now and have therefore had over 400
emails from this list which i did not really read. so, i may be wrong,
but i don't think that this has been discussed -- does anyone know what
is going on with earthlink?

i understand that they are cooperating with the fbi and handing them
over all sorts of user information.  why would this disable their dsl
service, though?  i was online yesterday until sometime in the evening,
so i don't think my service interruption was a direct result of the
attack.  i called today to get tech support and asked if the
interruption had to do with an fbi investigation, and the guy told me he
couldn't comment.  also, for a few hours, i received 2 copies of most of
my emails -- were there 2 versions of my account somewhere for a while?

i'd appreciate any insight.

hope everyone is doing as well as possible.  this whole thing's really
fucking with my head.

-tom






FROM: hens
DATE: Thu 01:07
SUBJ: [wwwac] 3 minute silence

I'm reading the Dutch newspapers. Apparently, in all of Europe, Friday has
been declared a day of mourning. Three minutes of silence are announced at
noon this Friday. And that's in Europe, folks.


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FROM: Jay Sulzberger
DATE: Thu 01:10
SUBJ: [wwwac] The tragedy in NYC (fwd)



---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: 12 Sep 2001 19:11:23 -0400
From: Perry E. Metzger <perry@... >
To: cryptography@...
Subject: The tragedy in NYC


[I sent this originally yesterday, but the, er, problems our mail
server in downtown New York suffered for a while caused some
delay. Another copy was published on Dave Farber's interesting
people. Several people wrote me afterwards vilifying me. Ah well.

The list is now running on a new machine in Virginia, which
should be safe even as more buildings collapse and burn.  --Perry]

In the wake of the tragedy in NYC today, I was asked by someone if I
didn't now agree that crypto was a munition. At the time, I thought
that a friend of mine was likely dead. (I've since learned he escaped
in time.)

My answer then, when I thought I'd lost a friend, was the same as my
answer now and the answer I've always had.

Cryptography must remain freely available to all.

In coming months, politicians will flail about looking for freedoms to
eliminate to "curb the terrorist threat". They will see an opportunity
to grandstand and enhance their careers, an opportunity to show they
are "tough on terrorists".

We must remember throughout that you cannot preserve freedom by
eliminating it. The problem is not a lack of laws banning things.

I know the pressure on everyone in Washington will be to "do
something". Speaking as a New Yorker who dearly loves this city, who
has felt deep shock throughout most of the day, watching the smoke
still rising from the fires to the south of me, listening to the
ambulances and police cars continuing to wail about me, let me say
this:

   I do not want more laws passed in the name of defending my home.

   I do not want more freedoms eliminated to "preserve freedom".

   I do not want to trade my freedom for safety. Franklin has said far
   more eloquently than me why that is worthless.

If you must do something, send out more investigators to find those
responsible for this and bring them to justice. Pass no new laws. Take
away no freedoms. Do not destroy the reason I live here to give me
"safety". I'd rather die in a terrorist attack.

-- 
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--
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FROM: Kathy Forer
DATE: Wed 23:49
SUBJ: [wwwac] ALT parking?

At 10:06 PM -0400 9/12/01, Scott Bowling wrote:
 >The usual time to check is after 6am any day, so the radio stations and
 >cable channels might not know anything until then. You can check the
 >official web site:
 >
 >    http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/dot/html/travroad/scrintro.html

This link doesn't work for me.

 >
 >Which pretty much says you should call the following number for current
 >status:
 >
 >    212 or 718 CALLDOT (225-5368)

Well, thank you. That's all I wanted to know.

I don't see how anyone can accuse me of anything as petty as you seem 
to ascribe. If I asked who knew about school openings and closings, 
would I have gotten the same reaction?

Would it be extraneous or frivolous to take a shower in the morning?

Hell, I don't even LIVE here anymore. Hence the car. I moved it.

Thanks.

 >
 >HTH,
 >
 >Scott






FROM: Eric Berg
DATE: Thu 01:06
SUBJ: [wwwac] planes still in the air?

While we were walking our two young sons from Canal St. to my
mother-in-law's place at 84th and Park, we heard the planes.  "Don't
worry, Jake, they're military planes."

"Ours?" he asked looking up at me.  He just turned 5.

I was really glad to be able to say yes definitively.  

His school is 4 blocks from the WTC.  He was very close running home
with his mom, and saw the first tower collapse.  He's starting to
remember everything, including his seeing the bodies flying out of the
building.

-Eric.

Timothy Embler: [Tuesday 11-September]:

 > Military planes.
 > 
 > Tim
 > 
 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: Thomas Walser [mailto:tjwal@... 
 > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:27 PM
 > To: wwwac@...
 > Subject: [wwwac] planes still in the air?
 > 
 > 
 > anyone else hearing planes in the air?  if so, does anyone know what
 > they are?
 > 

-- 
Eric D. Berg <eberg@... >
http://nylug.org/~eberg
Tel.  212-974-1041
Cell. 646-418-3608
AIM:  RickyBerg
ICQ:  eberg/83988870






FROM: 
DATE: Thu 01:16
SUBJ: [wwwac] FYI WTC survivor database

http://wtc.ny.com/

Rachel





FROM: Deborah Barber
DATE: Thu 01:46
SUBJ: [wwwac] inappropriate spam

I just received life insurance spam at my NYU address with the subject line
"We can help." I myself am fine, but the timing couldn't be worse of course.
Usually I just delete this crap, but this really burns me up. So what is my
next step? It has an URL in the message, so the owner of the site can be
found through Whois. What next?

Deborah
-- 
*******************
Deborah Barber
deborah@...
www.hexidecibel.org






FROM: Eric Berg
DATE: Thu 01:22
SUBJ: [wwwac] Holy Smoke

It should be noted that marshall law has not been imposed and it's
past midnight on Wednesday, 13 Sep 2001.  

New Yorkers and Americans everywhere are volunteering and working
together with the military and civic agencies.  So far, seems like
we're keeping our collective heads.

-Eric.


Ari: [Tuesday 11-September]:

 > 
 > On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Kathy Forer wrote:
 > 
 >  > At 10:08 AM -0400 9/11/01, Ari wrote:
 >  >  >it's only war if we know who did it.
 >  > 
 >  > So much for star wars.
 >  > 
 >  > Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine ??? just claimed 
 >  > responsibility.
 > 
 > if this is true, any prospects for peace in the middle east have just
 > circled the bowl and went down the drain.
 > 
 > i'm also worried that this is only one aspect of the attack and that there
 > will be further incidents.
 > 
 > i predict marshall law or at least curfews in the city within 24hrs.





FROM: Scott Wickham
DATE: Wed 22:41
SUBJ: [wwwac] planes still in the air?

My nephew and was in that school.

My sister had just dropped him off and was going to
work when first plane hit.

She went back to get him from school and on way out 
with him the second hit.




--- Eric Berg <eberg@... > wrote:
 > While we were walking our two young sons from Canal
 > St. to my
 > mother-in-law's place at 84th and Park, we heard the
 > planes.  "Don't
 > worry, Jake, they're military planes."
 > 
 > "Ours?" he asked looking up at me.  He just turned
 > 5.
 > 
 > I was really glad to be able to say yes
 > definitively.  
 > 
 > His school is 4 blocks from the WTC.  He was very
 > close running home
 > with his mom, and saw the first tower collapse. 
 > He's starting to
 > remember everything, including his seeing the bodies
 > flying out of the
 > building.
 > 
 > -Eric.
 > 
 > Timothy Embler: [Tuesday 11-September]:
 > 
 >  > Military planes.
 >  > 
 >  > Tim
 >  > 
 >  > -----Original Message-----
 >  > From: Thomas Walser [mailto:tjwal@... 
 >  > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:27 PM
 >  > To: wwwac@...
 >  > Subject: [wwwac] planes still in the air?
 >  > 
 >  > 
 >  > anyone else hearing planes in the air?  if so,
 > does anyone know what
 >  > they are?
 >  > 
 > 
 > -- 
 > Eric D. Berg <eberg@... >
 > http://nylug.org/~eberg
 > Tel.  212-974-1041
 > Cell. 646-418-3608
 > AIM:  RickyBerg
 > ICQ:  eberg/83988870


=====
Scott Wickham

74th st,201w apt#14K  Huge 1 Bedroom apt 
Check it out  http://www.webnyc.com    
for Sale by owner

__________________________________________________
Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help?
Donate cash, emergency relief information
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FROM: Scott Wickham
DATE: Wed 22:44
SUBJ: [wwwac] Holy Smoke

I think anyone who is a native new yorker is not
surprised. We are tough bastards.




--- Eric Berg <eberg@... > wrote:
 > It should be noted that marshall law has not been
 > imposed and it's
 > past midnight on Wednesday, 13 Sep 2001.  
 > 
 > New Yorkers and Americans everywhere are
 > volunteering and working
 > together with the military and civic agencies.  So
 > far, seems like
 > we're keeping our collective heads.
 > 
 > -Eric.
 > 
 > 
 > Ari: [Tuesday 11-September]:
 > 
 >  > 
 >  > On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Kathy Forer wrote:
 >  > 
 >  >  > At 10:08 AM -0400 9/11/01, Ari wrote:
 >  >  >  >it's only war if we know who did it.
 >  >  > 
 >  >  > So much for star wars.
 >  >  > 
 >  >  > Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine
 > ??? just claimed 
 >  >  > responsibility.
 >  > 
 >  > if this is true, any prospects for peace in the
 > middle east have just
 >  > circled the bowl and went down the drain.
 >  > 
 >  > i'm also worried that this is only one aspect of
 > the attack and that there
 >  > will be further incidents.
 >  > 
 >  > i predict marshall law or at least curfews in the
 > city within 24hrs.


=====
Scott Wickham

74th st,201w apt#14K  Huge 1 Bedroom apt 
Check it out  http://www.webnyc.com    
for Sale by owner

__________________________________________________
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FROM: Paul Henry Smith
DATE: Thu 01:41
SUBJ: [wwwac] Icons to show solidarity


To express solidarity with the people targeted by these attacks, please feel free to use these icons I designed as you like on Web pages, in email, etc.

  http://www.panix.com/~phs/support.html



Paul
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____________________________________________________
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FROM: Paul Henry Smith
DATE: Thu 01:41
SUBJ: [wwwac] WTC Memorial Beacon


... my idea for a memorial in the place of the WTC towers:


    http://www.panix.com/~phs/beacon




-- 

____________________________________________________
phs@...              http://www.panix.com/~phs





FROM: Scott Wickham
DATE: Wed 22:53
SUBJ: [wwwac] 4 lines by 32 letters ,  what should I say

I have a prepaid ad in the NYtimes realestate section
for sunday. I wont be having an open house for obvious
reason.  I want to use the space to say something. But
words fail me.

Suggestions please.

=====
Scott Wickham

74th st,201w apt#14K  Huge 1 Bedroom apt 
Check it out  http://www.webnyc.com    
for Sale by owner

__________________________________________________
Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help?
Donate cash, emergency relief information
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/





FROM: hens
DATE: Thu 01:58
SUBJ: [wwwac] Icons to show solidarity

On 9/13/01 at 1:41 AM -0400, Paul Henry Smith wrote:

 >   http://www.panix.com/~phs/support.html

Paul. Nice design.



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FROM: Nmuta Jones
DATE: Thu 02:18
SUBJ: [wwwac] Dreamweaver question

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FROM: Karl Cooper
DATE: Thu 02:20
SUBJ: [wwwac] WTC Memorial Beacon

I like the idea. The view from Jersey is quite moving. You should submit 
this idea. The only thing is, I believe another WTC will be build in its 
place. However, the memorial can reside on the concourse level between the 
buildings.


 >From: Paul Henry Smith <phs@... >
 >To: wwwac@...
 >Subject: [wwwac] WTC Memorial Beacon
 >Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 01:41:13 -0400
 >
 >
 >... my idea for a memorial in the place of the WTC towers:
 >
 >
 >     http://www.panix.com/~phs/beacon
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >--
 >
 >____________________________________________________
 >phs@...              http://www.panix.com/~phs


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FROM: Karl Cooper
DATE: Thu 02:21
SUBJ: [wwwac] Icons to show solidarity

Makes a GREAT tee shirt.


 >From: hens <hens@...>
 >To: Paul Henry Smith <phs@... >, wwwac@...
 >Subject: Re: [wwwac] Icons to show solidarity
 >Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 01:58:29 -0400
 >
 >On 9/13/01 at 1:41 AM -0400, Paul Henry Smith wrote:
 >
 >  >   http://www.panix.com/~phs/support.html
 >
 >Paul. Nice design.
 >
 >
 >
 >--
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FROM: Nmuta Jones
DATE: Thu 02:22
SUBJ: [wwwac] Disregard Dreamweaver question

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FROM: Karl Cooper
DATE: Thu 02:23
SUBJ: [wwwac] 4 lines by 32 letters , what should I say

I think "GOD BLESS AMERICA" says it all.


 >From: Scott Wickham <nylscottw@... >
 >To: wwwac <wwwac@... >
 >Subject: [wwwac] 4 lines by 32 letters ,  what should I say
 >Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:53:15 -0700 (PDT)
 >
 >I have a prepaid ad in the NYtimes realestate section
 >for sunday. I wont be having an open house for obvious
 >reason.  I want to use the space to say something. But
 >words fail me.
 >
 >Suggestions please.
 >
 >=====
 >Scott Wickham
 >
 >74th st,201w apt#14K  Huge 1 Bedroom apt
 >Check it out  http://www.webnyc.com
 >for Sale by owner
 >
 >__________________________________________________
 >Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help?
 >Donate cash, emergency relief information
 >http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/


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FROM: ujin_c
DATE: Wed 23:47
SUBJ: [wwwac] Icons to show solidarity


how would you pronounce that. "i ??? ny"?

i don't think it's a good idea to equate an icon of new york city with a
military institution.

nice try though.




----- Original Message -----
From: "hens" <hens@...>
To: "Paul Henry Smith" <phs@... >; <wwwac@... >
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: [wwwac] Icons to show solidarity


 > On 9/13/01 at 1:41 AM -0400, Paul Henry Smith wrote:
 >
 >  >   http://www.panix.com/~phs/support.html
 >
 > Paul. Nice design.
 >
 >
 >
 > --
 >                          <http://www.monospace.com>
 >                          You are visitor number one.





FROM: hens
DATE: Thu 02:31
SUBJ: [wwwac] 4 lines by 32 letters , what should I say

On 9/13/01 at 2:23 AM -0400, Karl Cooper wrote:

 > I think "GOD BLESS AMERICA" says it all.

And then some.



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FROM: hens
DATE: Thu 02:37
SUBJ: [wwwac] Icons to show solidarity

On 9/12/01 at 11:47 PM -0700, ujin_c wrote:

 > how would you pronounce that. "i ??? ny"?
 >
 > i don't think it's a good idea to equate an icon of new york city with a
 > military institution.

Seems like a worthy point. But then again, I loved Apple's posters for the
NYC Mac Expo, that basically said "I [red apple] NY" and still, the
original (heart) icon is so strong, it can handle that.

What I like most about Paul's design is how it shows both the Towers and
the Pentagon, but the pentagram could easily be seen as a heart turned
inside out....

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FROM: Eric Berg
DATE: Thu 02:29
SUBJ: [wwwac] Emergency Web Site Assistance

If you do find any information on this, may, please post it to the
list.

Thanks.

-Eric.

May S. Young: [Wednesday 12-September]:

 > For those people who thought that my post implied that I was looking for work,
 > THIS IS CERTAINLY NOT THE CASE.
 > 
 > I JUST WANT TO VOLUNTEER MY TIME.
 > 
 > If anyone can refer me to any city or federal agency web sites that needs
 > VOLUNTEERS to update information on their sites, please let me know.
 > 
 > I apologize for any confusion.
 > 
 > Thank you for your time.
 > 
 > Regards,
 > 
 > 
 > May S. Young
 > 
 > h   i   r   e   g   u   n   .   c   o   m
 > --------------------------------------------
 > graphics for web and multimedia
 > 
 > contact - may s. young
 > vox -  845 365 1903
 > email - may@...
 > URL - http://www.hiregun.com
 > 

-- 
Eric D. Berg <eberg@... >
http://nylug.org/~eberg
Tel.  212-974-1041
Cell. 646-418-3608
AIM:  RickyBerg
ICQ:  eberg/83988870






FROM: Rebecca Donnison
DATE: Thu 16:42
SUBJ: [wwwac] Icons to show solidarity

Great design Paul.  I have already added one to my website.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Henry Smith" <phs@... >
To: <wwwac@... >
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:41 PM
Subject: [wwwac] Icons to show solidarity


 >
 > To express solidarity with the people targeted by these attacks, please
feel free to use these icons I designed as you like on Web pages, in email,
etc.
 >
 >   http://www.panix.com/~phs/support.html
 >
 >
 >
 > Paul
 > --
 >
 > ____________________________________________________
 > phs@...              http://www.panix.com/~phs






FROM: Jay Sulzberger
DATE: Thu 02:37
SUBJ: [wwwac] Eric Hughes sings... (fwd)



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     irregulars@... David Farber <dave@... >
Subject: Eric Hughes sings...

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2001 September 12
An Open Letter on Privacy and Anonymity


Fellow Citizens of the United States of America:

I am moved to write as a founder of a movement that, far beyond my own
efforts, has eloquently expressed an ideal, the ideal of privacy in
society.  Privacy is not uniquely American, yet it is at the core of the
American ideal, at the core of free speech that enables human connection,
at the core of free association that builds society up from a savage state,
at the core of liberty.  I helped to start cypherpunks, a movement for
privacy in the digital world.  Cypherpunks is a diverse movement with no
explicit doctrine, yet with a deep shared desire for human liberty.

Let none who call me friend say that the events of September 11 are
anything other than a dark day upon humanity.  In the midst of the
violence, I see a thirst for the taste of the blood of vengeance in the
mouths of many of my fellow citizens.  I see that destruction will
ineluctably ride upon the opponents of the country of these my fellow
citizens.  So be it.  I do not seek here to forestall or to avoid the
violence directed toward the perpetrators of these deeds.

I write as a citizen of the United States that our country may avoid a
self-inflicted wound against liberty.  The terrorists have struck a blow
against liberty, it is said.  The terrorists will strike again, it is
said.  I say to all, let us not strike the second blow against
ourselves.  Today we are seeking an enemy unknown, an enemy who is hiding,
as well they ought to.  The thirst that drives our country forward now
cannot be slaked without the apprehension of those responsible, and we have
yet to identify or find them.  We now have a great temptation before us, to
lash out at those amongst ourselves who may be thought to have given succor
to our enemies, at those amongst ourselves who may be thought to still
provide them solace and deception, and at those amongst ourselves whom some
dislike for unrelated reasons.

I wish to repeat again the words of Governor Davis of California, who spoke
yesterday that "we are all Americans."  We are all Americans, and we should
not attack ourselves.  We are all Americans, and we should not fight each
other in the streets.  We are all Americans, and we should not turn our law
enforcement apparatus and our national security infrastructure against the
very liberties that we all hold dear.  The goal of these terrorists is to
restrict freedoms in America, to steal its essence and to weaken it.  I
shall pray we do not cooperate with this their goal in a hot-headed rush to
immediate results.  Let the anger of this country be cold and calmly
directed, that the accompaniment of wrath be precision.

The terrorists are cowards, it is said.  Shall America be a coward to
itself?  We have an excess of strength to expend upon our opponents, be
they external or internal.  We will find that there are internal champions
of liberty that have without conspiracy or knowledge furthered the plans of
our opponents, who have taken advantage of the liberties that America
offers all who enter her shores.  Many of these champions I know
personally, because cypherpunks have enabled liberty on-line to all takers,
without discrimination and without distinction.  Let the prevailing wrath
be directed not against those to promote liberty, but those who consciously
seek to destroy it.

We need not curtail our liberty in order to save it.  The message is
seductive that we may more effectively fight for liberty if we limit our
freedoms for a time whose end has yet to be announced.  Yet this is not the
message of America, but of several of its vanquished enemies.  For liberty
is not fair-weather clothing that may only be worn when the weather is
good.  Liberty is rather the jewel in the locket, the most prized
possession short of family and life itself.  We diminish ourselves if we
rationalize our freedom away in an evanescent fog of rhetoric about
efficiency.  Liberty is not efficient; it is expensive and tortuous, and as
an American people we desire it before most everything else.

As we enter a new century, let us demonstrate the true strength of an open
society -- that it can withstand the threat of demagoguery even as it
remains a powerful actor against an external threat.  This is the ideal
that our strength may manifest, that a democracy may express its power as a
democracy itself, and not as a police state masquerading as one.

I stand with the Federal Congress and sing "America, my home, sweet
home."  For I live upon this land and soil, with other people who have set
their lives along the course of freedom.  I pray that we may all pass
through this dark time with the dignity of our own ideals intact, that we
may pass through to the other side with renewed vigor to pursue the cause
of freedom over all the earth.  My heart grieves with those who have lost,
yet it also rejoices that we might yet undergo this ordeal as a country and
emerge stronger and more faithful to our own nature.

May peace be with you all, with the fullness of your existence in tow.


Eric Hughes



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FROM: Jonathan Kopp
DATE: Thu 01:51
SUBJ: [wwwac] Please...

I just came off of sitting in a bar listening to a man talk about how "sand 
niggers have to die" I asked if Arab babies have to die too and he said yes.

People please, stop the hate rhetoric. Please don't kill babies. Please 
don't allow babies to come to harm. I know we are all hurting and want 
revenge, but please have mercy y'all.

Don't kill and don't let hate consume you. That's the only real hope we 
have.

JK

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FROM: Jay Sulzberger
DATE: Thu 03:09
SUBJ: [wwwac] [nyc-geeks] Communication services for those in shelters (fwd)



---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:48:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Klos <john@... >
Reply-To: nyc-geeks@...
To: nyc-geeks@...
Subject: [nyc-geeks] Communication services for those in shelters

Hello,

I am planning on bringing communications equipment to Chelsea Peers
tomorrow evening to try to help people to get in contact with their
family, friends, and/or loved ones.

Anyone who would like to help please call me on LI at 516.249.1313, email
me (john@... or ytalk (jean@...

I'd like to bring a single physically small Unix machine that will accept
mail for deferred delivery and as many laptops as possible.

People at the shelters who want to get word out can send email, and since
I expect no Internet services at the shelters, I will take the Unix
machine to Level3 and send the email from there.

Anyone who has time, energy, and/or laptop(s) is welcome to come along.
Let me know.

John


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FROM: Gilbert Midonnet
DATE: Thu 04:38
SUBJ: [wwwac] WTC Memorial Beacon

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actually I would like to see two new, taller buildings put up in their
place.

Generally I'm opposed to such buildings, but this time I can think of no
better memorial, and no better way to lift our spirits than to see two new
buildings rising out of the rubble.

If we have to put patriot missile launchers on the roof (aaack, what a
repulsive thing to have to do) then so be it.

-- gilbert midonnet

by the way paul, if new buildings aren't put in their place those beacons
are a wonderful suggestion.



-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Henry Smith <mailto:phs@... >
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:41 AM
To: wwwac@...
Subject: [wwwac] WTC Memorial Beacon



... my idea for a memorial in the place of the WTC towers:


    http://www.panix.com/~phs/beacon




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FROM: carole guevin
DATE: Thu 04:56
SUBJ: [wwwac] 4 lines by 32 letters ,  what should I say

how's this?

Don't underestimate the power of change you have as an individual. Massive
relief and action are made possible by the decision of one person at a
time.  Let's unite, let's pray, let's stand together against terrorism!

it's a bit over - but you can tweak it!

carole






FROM: carole guevin
DATE: Thu 04:58
SUBJ: [wwwac] Any announcement about air quality warning

There were test made early this am - report was at 4:30 am - that the level
of air meets satisfactory ones.

carole






FROM: carole guevin
DATE: Thu 05:07
SUBJ: [wwwac] Survivors + Contact sites as of Sept 13 - 5 am

here's the list I have so far:

http://wtc.ny.com/

http://www.ny.com/wtclist.html

http://www.shunn.net/okay/

http://safe.millennium.berkeley.edu/

http://okay.prodigy.net/

http://www.viexpo.com/dmstest/america.html 

carole





FROM: carole guevin
DATE: Thu 05:16
SUBJ: [wwwac] survivors + message url list as of 5am - sept 13

ere's the list of survivors sites I have so far:

http://wtc.ny.com/

http://www.ny.com/wtclist.html

http://www.shunn.net/okay/

http://safe.millennium.berkeley.edu/

http://okay.prodigy.net/

http://www.viexpo.com/dmstest/america.html 

carole





FROM: carole guevin
DATE: Thu 05:23
SUBJ: [wwwac] survivors lists + messages sites updated as of 5 am - sept 13

here's the list of survivors sites I have so far:

http://wtc.ny.com/

http://www.ny.com/wtclist.html

http://www.shunn.net/okay/

http://safe.millennium.berkeley.edu/

http://okay.prodigy.net/

http://www.viexpo.com/dmstest/america.html 

carole





FROM: carole guevin
DATE: Thu 05:38
SUBJ: [wwwac] multiple posting sorry

carole





FROM: Gerard McGovern
DATE: Thu 11:18
SUBJ: [wwwac] Blogs

Hi,

If anyone is running a blog out there or just wants to include an update 
page on their site, take a peek at:

http://www.notsosoft.com/update/. 

It basically provides a centrally run piece of code that you can place on 
your site to add news articles, emergency information etc.

Peace, love and respect.

G in London - www.inkiboo.com
gerard@...


Text copied from the site (http://www.notsosoft.com/update/)

News and Resources: Events of 11/09/01
For a medium and a community powered by words, it's hard to know what to 
write when something as unbelievably, horrifyingly real as this happens. 
All over the world, personal publishers and webloggers are finding unique 
and highly personal ways to respond to the tragedy which occured in the 
U.S. on September 11 2001.

This infoshare update is not intended to take the place of any individual 
responses - neither is it supposed to be a substitute for news sources. 
This communal infoshare is intended to act as an information point, 
updated centrally and able to be syndicated across many personal 
websites, providing useful information, major headlines and ways to find 
more information or news or support.

If you would like to include this infoshare on your site, please follow 
the inclusion instructions below. If you have a link to suggest, please 
let us know.

Our thoughts are with those directly affected by this horrible tragedy, 
their families, friends and loved ones.







FROM: Stephen Gilliard
DATE: Thu 03:22
SUBJ: [wwwac] Emergency Services Information for the N.Y.C. Area

Emergency Services Information for the N.Y.C. Area 


New York City-area Emergency Services and Resources
From 
The New York Times on the Web
Wednesday, September 12, 2001
---------------------------------


NYTimes.com has compiled the following list of
emergency resources and 
contact information for the New York City area.
Closings and some 
contact numbers may be subject to change. For news and
information 
throughout the day, visit:
http://www.nytimes.com



BLOOD DONATIONS


Manhattan
- New York Blood Center
310 East 67th Street (between First and Second Aves.) 
150 Amsterdam Avenue (66-67th Streets)


- St. Clare's Hospital & Health Center 
426 W. 52nd St.
212-586-1500


- St. Vincent's Hospital & Medical Center
7th Ave. at 11th St.
212-604-7000



Brooklyn
- New York Blood Center
120 Lawrence St. near MetroTech
212-586-1500


- St. Mary's Hospital
170 Buffalo Ave.
718-221-3000



Queens
- Flushing: St. Joseph's Hospital
15840 79th Ave.
718-558-6200


- Jamaica: St. Vincent's Medical Center of Richmond
355 Bard Ave.
718-876-1234



Staten Island
- Mary Immaculate Hospital
15211 89th Ave.
718-558-2000



Westchester
- Elmsford
525 Executive Boulevard



New Jersey
- New Brunswick
167 New Street



For more details on available donor locations, call
1-800-448-3543 
(GIVE-LIFE), 1-800-933-2566 or visit:
http://www.nybloodcenter.org


-----


HOTLINES


Main New York City Numbers:
- NYC Emergency Information: 212-560-2730
- NYPD Emergency Information: 212-741-4626 or
866-856-4167 


Airlines:
- American Airlines: 1-800-245-0999 
American Airlines Statement
http://www.aa.com/


- United Airlines: 1-800-932-8555 
United Airlines Statement
http://www.ual.com/


United also has established its international
toll-free numbers for 
friends or family members who want more information.
Those numbers are:
The Netherlands: 020504051
Germany: 06966985407
Italy: 024829813
Belgium: 027133646
France: 0169199659 


Victim Information:
- Red Cross WTC Victim Information: 212-604-7285
- WTC: AON Employees: 203-863-6380 
- WTC: Morgan Stanley Employees: 888-883-4391
- WTC: Carr Future: 800-755-7620
- WTC: Cantor Fitzgerald: 866-326-3188
- WTC: Pitney Bowes: 800-932-3631
- Pentagon Employees: 1-877-663-6772
- Fire Department and EMT Employees: 718-999-2541
- Police Department Employees: 718-677-8238


New York City Hospitals:
- St. Vincent's Hospital: 212-604-7285 
- Bellevue Hospital Center: 212-562-4141
- Coler Memorial Hospital: 212-848-6300
- Goldwater Memorial Hospital: 212-318-8000
- Gouverneur Hospital D&TC: 212-238-7000 


Other City Services:
- City Mortuary: 212-562-3051
- Chief Medical Examiner: 212-447-2030 


Grief Counseling: 
- Lincoln Medical and Mental Health Center:
718-579-5000
- Metropolitan Hospital Center: 212-423-6262
- St. Vincent's Health Crisis Center: 212-604-8220
- Department of Mental Health Services: 212-442-5000 


-----


TRANSIT 


Subways:
Most service has resumed with the exception of the 3,
C, and the Q 
Express. 


City Buses: 
Buses are operating in Manhattan above 14th Street. 


For complete details on bus and subway service, visit
the MTA Web site:
http://www.mta.nyc.ny.us/emergency/emernyct.htm 



Roads, Bridges and Tunnels:
- The Lincoln and Holland Tunnels and George
Washington Bridge are 
closed in both directions. 
- FDR Drive and the West Side Highway are closed from
92nd St. to the 
Battery.
- The Triborough, Throgs Neck, Whitestone and 59th
Street bridges are 
open.



Trains
- Grand Central Station and Penn Station have both
reopened and Long 
Island Railroad, Metro-North and New Jersey Transit
are all running 
with limited service. PATH Trains are also in service.


For additional updates and information, visit the
following Web sites:


Long Island Railroad (LIRR)
http://www.mta.nyc.ny.us/emergency/emerlirr.htm


Metro-North Railroad 
http://www.mta.nyc.ny.us/emergency/emermnr.htm


New Jersey Transit 
http://www.njtransit.com/ta_advisorynotices.jsp



Ferries
- The Staten Island Ferry is running in the Staten
Island-bound 
direction only. 
- New York Waterway Ferries are running outbound only
between 38th St., 
Weehawken and Hoboken with no charge. 



Airports
- All U.S. airports are closed until further notice. 


Airline Information Lines: 
Relatives of American Airlines passengers seeking
information about 
relatives may call 1-800-245-0999. 


United Airlines said friends or family members seeking
information on 
flights may call 1-800-932-8555. United also plans to
post any 
information it has on its Web site:
http://www.united.com


-----


CLOSINGS AND SERVICE CHANGES


The following are closed or suspended today: 
- All U.S. Financial Markets
- All U.S. Airports
- Businesses in Manhattan below 14th St.
- New York City Public Schools
- New York City Parochial Schools
- Empire State Building
- New York City State and Federal Courts, including
Jury Duty. For 
information call 1-800-692-6878 (NY-COURTS)
- Metropolitan Museum
- New York Public Library
- Fordham University
- St. John's University
- Mailbox Pickup (Post offices are open)
- Street cleaning
- Alternate side of the street parking rules


The following are open today:
- Newark Public Schools
- Post Offices
- CUNY schools



-----


Donations


The United Way of New York and the New York Community
Trust have 
established a fund to help the victims of the attacks
and their 
families. The September Eleventh Fund will provide
immediate support to 
established emergency assistance agencies. Anyone
wishing to contribute 
may send their donations in care of United Way, 2 Park
Ave, New York, 
New York, 10016, or call: (212) 251-4035.


Donations are also being accepted on United Way of New
York City's Web site: 
http://www.uwnyc.org. 






__________________________________________________
Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help?
Donate cash, emergency relief information
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/





FROM: KNOdom
DATE: Thu 07:07
SUBJ: [wwwac] OT kinda - What could be next in the big picture?

Please, no flames on this, but I would rather be ahead of the curve this
time. Those who are supposed to be predicting these things probably
should have considered these items by now:

-I would be looking for a Left Coast hot air balloon delivering an EMP
to Silicon Valley.
-Then an airborne contamination of the corn belt.





FROM: Ari
DATE: Thu 07:29
SUBJ: [wwwac] Holy Smoke


good, i'm glad i'm wrong on this.

martial law would be a terrible thing to endure.



On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Eric Berg wrote:

 > It should be noted that marshall law has not been imposed and it's
 > past midnight on Wednesday, 13 Sep 2001.  
 > 
 > New Yorkers and Americans everywhere are volunteering and working
 > together with the military and civic agencies.  So far, seems like
 > we're keeping our collective heads.
 > 
 > -Eric.
 > 
 > 
 > Ari: [Tuesday 11-September]:
 > 
 >  > 
 >  > On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Kathy Forer wrote:
 >  > 
 >  >  > At 10:08 AM -0400 9/11/01, Ari wrote:
 >  >  >  >it's only war if we know who did it.
 >  >  > 
 >  >  > So much for star wars.
 >  >  > 
 >  >  > Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine ??? just claimed 
 >  >  > responsibility.
 >  > 
 >  > if this is true, any prospects for peace in the middle east have just
 >  > circled the bowl and went down the drain.
 >  > 
 >  > i'm also worried that this is only one aspect of the attack and that there
 >  > will be further incidents.
 >  > 
 >  > i predict marshall law or at least curfews in the city within 24hrs.






FROM: Gerard McGovern
DATE: Thu 12:45
SUBJ: [wwwac] ALERT: bin Laden under house arrest

Only Ananova so far is reporting this ... more news to follow.

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_397616.html?menu=news.usterrorattacks
http://www.ananova.com/

We can but hope.

g in London







FROM: Vincent Yeh
DATE: Thu 07:54
SUBJ: [wwwac] Give A Shout Out Please/Vincent Yeh is safe

For my WWWAC friends out there who may be worried about me, my residential
building is one block south and west of the WTC complex.  I am safe because
I had an early morning meeting at 40th and Park.

Currently staying with a friend on 12th Street in the East Village.  Have a
cell phone and a computer and the grocery stores north of 14th street are
well stocked (although choices of fresh meat are limited).  Have to show ID
to go back south of 14th street.

My WWWAC list messages go through Mig & Co. which is located at Wall Street
and Water Street.  Power was out until yesterday afternoon, so I didn't have
contact to the list.

Power is still out in my residential building and I am waiting to rescue my
cat (who always has a big bowl of dry food and water set out for her, so she
shouldn't be starving).

Feel free to send me messages off-list.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Ellis <rickontv@... >

 >  >
 >  >there are levels of friendship and communication...
 >  >
 >  >i wouldn't be thinking about certain people under other circumstances
-
the
 >  >distant family member and friends of friends such as their AA flight
 >  >attendant buddies i've met socially (yet i couldn't be sure i'd
recognize
 >  >their names). i'm thinking about them now because i haven't heard
anything
 >  >and it's unsettling.
 >  >
 >
. And I have the same
suspicions
 > about a number of other people I dealt with on a regular basis.
They're
not
 > family...or even close friends. But the world will seem a little less
bright
 > without them.
 >
 > This can be a sad, hard life sometimes. And my thoughts go out to all
of
 > their loved ones.
 >
 > Rick Ellis
 > www.allyourtv.com





FROM: Vincent Yeh
DATE: Thu 07:57
SUBJ: [wwwac] I know this is unrealistic but... HELP!

The Board of the New York Software Industry is having an emergency meeting
to see how it can help the city.  Your suggestion is an excellent one and I
am blind copying this message to NYSIA.

Vincent Yeh
viny@... 

-----Original Message-----
From: Martha Bernholz
To: wwwac@...
Sent: 9/13/01 12:20 AM
Subject: [wwwac] I know this is unrealistic but... HELP!

My brother-in-law was on the 105th of the north tower. I am in New
Mexico
and my family is frantic. They have made the rounds of the all the
hospitals
and there is simply no sign of him.

What we need, and what many many people need, is an up to date online
database of who is in what hospital.  I know this is unrealistic, but is
this something someone there can try to do?

I know there are a number of "we are ok" lists, but the sites are
overwhelmed.

Thanks,

Martha


..............................................................
Martha Bernholz
Creative Director, Ziamedia
http://www.ziamedia.com
Intelligent Web Design
877.726.7717
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FROM: Peter Shankman
DATE: Thu 08:00
SUBJ: [wwwac] ALERT: bin Laden under house arrest

House arrested by the same people who are allegedly harboring/funding him.

Let them turn him over to the US. Then it'll be an alert.

-Peter

At 12:45 PM 9/13/01 +0100, Gerard McGovern wrote:
 >Only Ananova so far is reporting this ... more news to follow.
 >
 >http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_397616.html?menu=news.usterrorattacks
 >http://www.ananova.com/
 >
 >We can but hope.
 >
 >g in London



Peter Shankman
peter@...
www.shankman.com

"While the storm clouds gather far across the sea,
Let us swear allegiance to a land that's free,
Let us all be grateful for a land so fair,
As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer."





FROM: Joanna Wissinger
DATE: Thu 08:05
SUBJ: [wwwac] Any announcement about air quality warning

You're right. If I had thought about it, I knew this. But currently 
the very mention of asbestos makes me twitchy ... my father's 
exposure was because he insulated the crawl space and attic of our 
family home, doing the work himself, in the late 60s. My sisters and 
I have been told that our risk of developing the same cancer is only 
slightly higher than normal (it's very rare). I've been gloomily 
thinking that my and my sister's risk probabilities have shot up over 
the past few days.

thanks for the kind words about my dad.


At 12:31 AM -0400 9/13/01, Scott Bowling wrote:
 >On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:35:31 -0400
 >Joanna Wissinger <joanna@... > wrote:
 > >
 > >  At 10:07 PM -0400 9/12/01, Frank D. Greco wrote:
 > >
 > >   >When I arrived home in NJ via ferry, they hosed everyone upon
 > >   >arrival.  I'm sure they are concerned about asbestos dust, since the
 > >   >towers were built a while back.
 > >
 > >  my father is currently suffering from asbestos-related cancer ... I
 > >  think the asbestos restrictions were instituted in the early 70s. The
 > >  Towers were built in 1973, so you could be right.
 > >
 >Especially since the Towers were actually opened in 70, with the
 >official ribbon cutting in 73. Groundbreaking was August 5, 1966.
 >
 >Your father's situation is tragic, and I hope that everyone risking
 >exposure is wearing enough protection to prevent further tragedy.
 >
 >Scott


-- 




Joanna Wissinger
c 917 407 6825 im joannawnyc web http://joannaw.com
content strategy/information architecture/competitive intelligence
what is "ubiquitous platforms"? find out at http://www.joannaw.com/ubiq





FROM: Gilbert Midonnet
DATE: Thu 08:20
SUBJ: [wwwac] javascript question

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my brain is fried and i'm working on autopilot

i have two body onloads and I can't both to work.

uh ... what are my troubleshooting steps?

thx

-- gilbert midonnet


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FROM: Vincent Yeh
DATE: Thu 08:26
SUBJ: [wwwac] Surreal Experience [Getting] in [and Out ]of Manhatta
	n

Along the lines of surreal, I never thought I would be a displaced person
living in a national disaster zone.  I have to show ID every time I cross
south over the 14th street line in the East Village.

I call twice a day to see when I can get back to my apartment and rescue my
cat.

The Twin Towers were my backyard!  In 1993 (WTC Bombing I), I watched the
excavation of the hotel and the rebuilding.  I went to the memorial
commerating the six people killed.  (Now they want 10,000 body bags on
hand!)

I spoke to the manager of my building after the first tower collapsed.  She
was choking from the smoke, told me there was a bloody body outside her door
and that it would not be a good idea to come back.

I tried to see if I could go back the first night and found out the N was
skipping all Manhattan stops below Prince Street.

I've been in the WTC 1000 times.  I was there Monday to upgrade my cell
phone contract.  I know the neighborhood.  Watching the coverage on cable at
my friend's place, I can identify and remember each building described (7
WTC was were a company I used to work for was located; 5 WTC had Borders
Book Store below; I passed 1 Liberty Plaza on my way to and from work;  the
WFC I have passed many times through during the winter to the E at the WTC).

Went to a natural food store on 1st Ave and 10th street.  They're rationing
water.  Bought a day old bagel from a deli on 2nd and 13th.  Last bagel.
Paid $1 for it (usually bagels run .60)  Don't begrudge the deli owner at
all.

Can see the plume of smoke from where I am staying on 12th Street.

Almost all of my busy schedule has been cancelled.

For me, seeing my neighborhood in ruins on television is extremely surreal.

Vincent Yeh
viny@... 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jen_Runne@...
...
To make a long post short.....I have never seen so many cops in one
place....and such an outpouring of kindness and help by New Yorkers.  

....they
were not letting nonresidents cut into Chinatown.....

Finally, I found a cop who let me through after he peeked in my bag and
checked my driver's license.  ...I
begged
a cop to let me on the bridge if it was safe, and showed my ID again.
...I will always miss my World Trade Center.....in troubled sleep last
night ... I dreamt of it.

I feel like I lost two family members.






FROM: Patrick Crowley
DATE: Thu 08:24
SUBJ: [wwwac] Volunteering

Okay, I've heard like ten different stories about what's going on with
voluteering, so maybe you can guys can straighten me out.

+ Can you still volunteer?
+ Are they still accepting volunteer crews at Javits?
+ Has anybody been able to volunteer?

Thanks!!!

Best,
Patrick
mokolabs > >
http://mokolabs.com






FROM: carole guevin
DATE: Thu 08:22
SUBJ: [wwwac] a quick reminder

netdiver.net what's new page is dedicated solely to information to
find/contact victims and families as well as other pertinent information
such as tel numbers and relief funds links and will continue do so for an
undetermined period of time.  it seems from some email from contacts in
europe that they do not have - as of yet such - good access to information
as to the status right now.

carole






FROM: 
DATE: Thu 08:25
SUBJ: re:[wwwac] FYI WTC survivor database - more info

An e-mail I received from my next door neighbor, who's managing the database:
Rachel

Hi everyone,

I wanted to let you know that I am safe and sound. On Tuesday, I started
a database of World Trade Center survivors on my site at
http://www.ny.com/.  Since the press release went out on a national wire
Tuesday evening, we have received over 10,000 names of survivors and we
anticipate many more.

My only full time help is in Hong Kong and so I have been working on the
list continuously for about two days. If anyone in
the New York City area has time to stop in and answer the phone, bring
me food, or put me down for a nap, I would be ever grateful.

For those of you who want to help, please take some time within the next
few days to read over the list at http://wtc.ny.com/ and send me the
sequence numbers of entries that are blatantly false.  Make sure that
you reload or refresh the page to see the most recent version of the
list.  The sequence number appears directly after the parentheses.

DO NOT include punctuation in the list that you send.
DO NOT skip extra lines between numbers
DO use "EDITS TO LIST" as the subject so that I can find your emails
easily among the thousands that are pouring into my inbox.


Wishing you all the best,
--
Avery Harken
Business Manager, NY.com





FROM: Peter Shankman
DATE: Thu 08:32
SUBJ: re:[wwwac] FYI WTC survivor database - more info

If you tell us where Avery is, I'd gladly go over with some take out food 
for him/her... (Is Avery a male or female name?)

-Peter

At 08:25 AM 9/13/01 -0400, RPLeven@... wrote:
 >An e-mail I received from my next door neighbor, who's managing the database:
 >Rachel
 >
 >Hi everyone,
 >
 >I wanted to let you know that I am safe and sound. On Tuesday, I started
 >a database of World Trade Center survivors on my site at
 >http://www.ny.com/.  Since the press release went out on a national wire
 >Tuesday evening, we have received over 10,000 names of survivors and we
 >anticipate many more.
 >
 >My only full time help is in Hong Kong and so I have been working on the
 >list continuously for about two days. If anyone in
 >the New York City area has time to stop in and answer the phone, bring
 >me food, or put me down for a nap, I would be ever grateful.
 >
 >For those of you who want to help, please take some time within the next
 >few days to read over the list at http://wtc.ny.com/ and send me the
 >sequence numbers of entries that are blatantly false.  Make sure that
 >you reload or refresh the page to see the most recent version of the
 >list.  The sequence number appears directly after the parentheses.
 >
 >DO NOT include punctuation in the list that you send.
 >DO NOT skip extra lines between numbers
 >DO use "EDITS TO LIST" as the subject so that I can find your emails
 >easily among the thousands that are pouring into my inbox.
 >
 >
 >Wishing you all the best,
 >--
 >Avery Harken
 >Business Manager, NY.com



Peter Shankman
peter@...
www.shankman.com

"While the storm clouds gather far across the sea,
Let us swear allegiance to a land that's free,
Let us all be grateful for a land so fair,
As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer."





FROM: Sue K
DATE: Thu 08:03
SUBJ: [wwwac] Volunteering

NYC Emergency Management and Red Cross are takiing names and skillsets of
people who want to volunteer.  Nothing right now, but when current
volunteers/workers need to be relieved, they'll call.

 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: Patrick Crowley <mailto:patcrowley@... >
 > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:24 AM
 > To: WWWAC
 > Subject: [wwwac] Volunteering
 >
 >
 > Okay, I've heard like ten different stories about what's going on with
 > voluteering, so maybe you can guys can straighten me out.
 >
 > + Can you still volunteer?
 > + Are they still accepting volunteer crews at Javits?
 > + Has anybody been able to volunteer?
 >
 > Thanks!!!
 >
 > Best,
 > Patrick
 > mokolabs > >
 > http://mokolabs.com






FROM: Liza Schafer
DATE: Thu 08:24
SUBJ: [wwwac] No subways south of 42nd st.

They just announce on the news that there is no subway service south of 42nd
street.






FROM: Paul Henry Smith
DATE: Thu 08:17
SUBJ: [wwwac] WTC Memorial Beacon

At 2:20 AM -0400 9/13/01, Karl Cooper wrote:
 >I like the idea. The view from Jersey is quite moving. You should submit this idea. The only thing is, I believe another WTC will be build in its place. However, the memorial can reside on the concourse level between the buildings.

Thank you.

I know that a new building or buildings are what a lot of people seem to want.  After all, we'd like to show that we can recover from this.  But I believe that we should NOT put any office building there.  It should be a memorial. 

The nice thing about the memorial beacon is that it can co-exist with any new buildings.   Personally, I would prefer if there were no new buildings put there, though.  Why?  Because it would be a more fitting way to memorialize the thousands who died there.

I live in Manhattan a few yards from a fort used in the American Revolution.  The foundation is still in the ground, but it runs through what is now a city park.  (Bennett Park @ 183rd St).  No one wanted to build there because 1,200 Americans were killed by the British there.  The idea of an open space as a positive reminder is much more meaningful and powerful than putting up yet another office building. 



 >
 > >From: Paul Henry Smith <phs@... >
 > >To: wwwac@...
 > >Subject: [wwwac] WTC Memorial Beacon
 > >Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 01:41:13 -0400
 > >
 > >
 > >... my idea for a memorial in the place of the WTC towers:
 > >
 > >
 > >    http://www.panix.com/~phs/beacon
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >--
 > >
 > >____________________________________________________
 > >phs@...              http://www.panix.com/~phs
 >
 >
 >_________________________________________________________________
 >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
 >


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____________________________________________________
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FROM: Paul Henry Smith
DATE: Thu 08:27
SUBJ: [wwwac] Icons to show solidarity

At 11:47 PM -0700 9/12/01, ujin_c wrote:
 >how would you pronounce that. "i ??? ny"?
 >
 >i don't think it's a good idea to equate an icon of new york city with a
 >military institution.

It's not "equated" ... it's inside it.  As if the symbol of "protection" for which the pentagon stood can be made to work again. 



 >
 >
 >
 >
 >----- Original Message -----
 >From: "hens" <hens@...>
 >To: "Paul Henry Smith" <phs@... >; <wwwac@... >
 >Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:58 PM
 >Subject: Re: [wwwac] Icons to show solidarity
 >
 >
 > > On 9/13/01 at 1:41 AM -0400, Paul Henry Smith wrote:
 > >
 > >  >   http://www.panix.com/~phs/support.html
 > >
 > > Paul. Nice design.
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > > --
 > >                          <http://www.monospace.com>
 > >                          You are visitor number one.


-- 

____________________________________________________
phs@...              http://www.panix.com/~phs





FROM: Paul Henry Smith
DATE: Thu 08:32
SUBJ: [wwwac] WTC Memorial Beacon

At 4:38 AM -0400 9/13/01, Gilbert Midonnet wrote:
 >actually I would like to see two new, taller buildings put up in their
 >place.

I thought of that initially ("we can recover ... we can be BETTER and BIGGER than before ... not reduced and defeated") 

Yet, the more I think about what has happened on that spot (and what is happening), the more I realize that whatever becomes of the area, an office building will never satisfy.

However, even if a memorial building is constructed (who knows what it will be), the Beacon can still be there.  And it will be much "taller" than any building could be.

 >Generally I'm opposed to such buildings, but this time I can think of no
 >better memorial, and no better way to lift our spirits than to see two new
 >buildings rising out of the rubble.
 >
 >If we have to put patriot missile launchers on the roof (aaack, what a
 >repulsive thing to have to do) then so be it.
 >
 >-- gilbert midonnet
 >
 >by the way paul, if new buildings aren't put in their place those beacons
 >are a wonderful suggestion.
 >
 >
 >
 >-----Original Message-----
 >From: Paul Henry Smith <mailto:phs@... >
 >Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:41 AM
 >To: wwwac@...
 >Subject: [wwwac] WTC Memorial Beacon
 >
 >
 >
 >... my idea for a memorial in the place of the WTC towers:
 >
 >
 >    http://www.panix.com/~phs/beacon
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >--
 >
 >____________________________________________________
 >phs@...              http://www.panix.com/~phs
 >
 >
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 >any mistransmission. If
 >you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all
 >copies of it from your
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 >directly or indirectly,
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FROM: Stephen Gilliard
DATE: Thu 05:35
SUBJ: [wwwac] Aid the rescue workers

PASS TO EVERY MAIL LIST AND WEBSITE YOU CAN FIND. THE
MORE FAXES AND MAIL THEY GET, THE BETTER

There have been reports of rescue workers needing
socks and t-shirts. While there have been many cases
of people bringing their own clothes to Chelsea Piers,
the fact is that it won't be enough, there is a need
for thousands upon thousands of unused socks.

The reality is that most of the workers will risk
infection and clothes from private homes will not be
clean enough, even if unused.

There is a ready source of clean clothing, water and
dried goods in the immediate WTC area and in NJ,
Brooklyn and upper Manhattan: K Mart, Rite Aid,
Costco, Modell's, Foot Locker and Food Emporium.

If the CEO's of these companies would either donate
their in store stocks to the Red Cross, open their
warehouses to the ARC and allow shipments directly to
lower Manhattan, or allow individuals to purchase
these goods at a nominal fee, thousands of hygenic, un
used shirtsm bottled water and dried goods like nuts
and candy, could be supplied en masse to the rescue
workers.

This work will continue for days and this is the best
way to ensure the quantity of goods, in the right
sizes, will be available for what may be a herculean
and gruesome task. The health and safety of the
workers depend on clean clothing and water. 

A list of companies with e-mail and fax numbers is
below. Please be respectful with your request. We are
asking for a favor from these companies, one they are
not obligated to provide. 

Thank you.

Steve Gilliard
NetSlaves

John A. Catsimatidis
CEO
Red Apple Group

823 11th Ave.
New York, NY 10019
US
Phone: 212-956-5803
Fax: 212-262-4979


Pathmark Supermarkets
James L. Donald
Chairman, President, and CEO
200 Milik Street
Carteret, NJ 07008
Phone: (732) 499-3000
Fax:
(732) 499-3100
Email: path001@...


Modell's Sporting Goods stores

Mitchell Modell
Co=President and CEO
Modell's Sporting Goods 
498 7th Ave., 20th Fl.
New York, NY 10018 

Phone: 212-822-1000
Fax: 212-822-1025

service@...

Corporate Office
THE SPORTS AUTHORITY, INC.
Customer Service
3383 North State Road 7
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33319
Phone: (954) 735-1701
Fax:   (954) 484-0837
info@...

http://www.riteaid.com/contact_us/contact_customer_service.php

Rite Aid

Robert G. Miller, Chairman & Chief Executive Officer
30 Hunter Lane
Camp Hill, PA 17011
or
P.O. Box 3165
Harrisburg, PA 17105
Phone: (717) 761-2633
Fax: 717-975-5871

Duane Reade Inc.
Anthony J. Cuti
Chairman of the Board,
President and Chief Executive Officer

440 Ninth Ave 6th Floor
New York, NY 10001

(212) 273-5700
Fax (212) 244-6525


Food Emporium
A&P

Christian W. E. Haub
Chairman, President, and CEO
Box 418
2 Paragon Drive
Montvale, NJ 07645

Telephone 201-573-9700
Fax: 201-571-5219
apcustomerrel@...


Matthew D. Serra
President and Chief Executive Officer
Venator Group (Foot Locker)
112 W. 34th St.
New York, NY 10120 
	
Phone: 212-720-3700
Fax: 212-720-4397

Costco
http://www.costco.com/frameset.asp?trg=custservice%2Fcontactcostco%2Easp&log=

President and CEO
James D. Sinegal
999 Lake Dr.
Issaquah, WA 98027 

Phone: 425-313-8100
Fax: 425-313-8103


KMart

Chairman and CEO
Charles C. Conaway
3100 W. Big Beaver Rd.
Troy, MI 48084 
	
Phone: 248-463-1000
Fax: 248-463-5636

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FROM: Patrick Crowley
DATE: Thu 08:36
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rebuild then now

I flew *directly* over the World Trade Center towers about 3 weeks ago.

God, what a sorely-missed sight that is....

Patrick
mokolabs > >
http://mokolabs.com

 > I see planes in an tango line heading to JFK from my house as well.  But
 > they are not dropped down.  Really, there is no need to fly over Manhattan
 > at all.  They can redirect flight patterns around Manhattan in a circle.  I
 > never flew OVER Manhattan.
 > Really, the air space, like the coast line, needs military control.
 > 
 > Ruben






FROM: 
DATE: Thu 08:38
SUBJ: re:[wwwac] FYI WTC survivor database - more info

We're up in Inwood, between 204 and 207.  I'll bring her breakfast this 
morning.  Best to get in touch with her directly and see what help she needs. 
 
Thanks. Rachel

averyh@...
917-529-2981





FROM: Peter Shankman
DATE: Thu 08:38
SUBJ: [wwwac] Great editorial by Thomas Friedman of the NY Times

Talking about how this really is World War III.

 From the NY Times.
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/13/opinion/13FRIE.html?ex=1001384012&ei=1&en= 
4fdb0a4bcc73bff0

JERUSALEM -- As I restlessly lay awake early yesterday, with CNN on my TV 
and dawn breaking over the holy places of Jerusalem, my ear somehow latched 
onto a statement made by the U.S. transportation secretary, Norman Mineta, 
about the new precautions that would be put in place at U.S. airports in 
the wake of Tuesday's unspeakable terrorist attacks: There will be no more 
curbside check-in, he said. I suddenly imagined a group of terrorists 
somewhere here in the Middle East, sipping coffee, also watching CNN and 
laughing hysterically: "Hey boss, did you hear that? We just blew up Wall 
Street and the Pentagon and their response is no more curbside check-in?"





Peter Shankman
peter@...
www.shankman.com

"While the storm clouds gather far across the sea,
Let us swear allegiance to a land that's free,
Let us all be grateful for a land so fair,
As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer."





FROM: Eileen 'Turtle' Parzek
DATE: Thu 08:40
SUBJ: [wwwac] WTC Memorial Beacon

wow. Last night when I was sitting around in my dazed state, i was thinking 
about what they could put now in that space as a memorial and thought up 
tthe same EXACT thing... to see it actually 'EXIST" visually rocked me this 
morning. Thank you for taking it a step further... its a beautiful thing

At 01:41 AM 9/13/2001, Paul Henry Smith wrote:

 >... my idea for a memorial in the place of the WTC towers:
 >
 >
 >     http://www.panix.com/~phs/beacon
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >--
 >
 >____________________________________________________
 >phs@...              http://www.panix.com/~phs

~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~
Eileen "Turtle" Parzek ~  phone~ 518-505-6617
http://www.turtlesweb.com  mailto:turtle@...
digital artist ~ information architect ~ project mgr ~ consultant








FROM: Tom Simpson
DATE: Thu 08:45
SUBJ: [wwwac] No subways south of 42nd st.

Really?  I just made it in on the W train from Brooklyn to 23rd street.

Tom

----- Original Message -----
From: "Liza Schafer" <lschafer@... >
To: <wwwac@... >
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:24 AM
Subject: [wwwac] No subways south of 42nd st.


 > They just announce on the news that there is no subway service south of
42nd
 > street.






FROM: Chris Poterala
DATE: Thu 08:43
SUBJ: [wwwac] "Un-do" a dual-boot system?

I need to "do something" to get my mind off this for a bit, so I'm
starting simple.

I have a machine at home set up as a WinME/Win2K dual boot system - two
separate drives , one OS on each drive. The Win2K side is formatted as
NTFS to keep my kids from accessing that via WinME and nuking my work.

I did not use any sort of partitioning software. I simply installed a
new, second hard drive, and then installed Win2K, electing to do a new
install and pointing it towards this other drive. Install went
flawlessly. I get the select menu on start-up, make my choice, easy.

Now, I want to convert this box to a single OS, Win2K and lose the
dual-boot stuff.

Is there an "easy" way to do this? I'd love to be able to upgrade the OS
on the WinME side (it's the much larger hard drive) to Win2K and then be
able to access the now "old" Win2K drive and simply copy the data over
from that drive.

Make any sense? 

thanks for any tips/help you can provide.
cheers,
Chris

Chris Poterala
chris@...






FROM: Amita Guha
DATE: Thu 08:48
SUBJ: [wwwac] earthlink access not working

I have a friend who has Earthlink in Brooklyn. She
was finally able to get through yesterday, but they
were having some problems. I chatted with a tech
on her behalf, who told me about the problems they
were having because they were overloaded. Here's
the page that gives the status of Earthlink
connections nationwide:

http://help.mindspring.com/netstatus/

They are still reporting busy signals in the NYC
area and activity at full capacity elsewhere.

There was a report on the news that they were assisting
the FBI because one or more of the suspects may have had
Earthlink accounts.
 






FROM: Joanna Wissinger
DATE: Thu 08:57
SUBJ: [wwwac] DPs of Manhattan: You can come to Brooklyn if you want

Here in Windsor Terrace, Brooklyn, there's plenty of food (I live 
across the street from an excellent bagel bakery) and it's like 
nothing ever happened, except for the smoke plume (and you don't 
always see it--it depends on which way the wind's blowing). So if you 
need a break, feel free to come here. Email me. I'm serious. I can't 
offer people a place to stay, really, because I have a small child 
and space is tight. But school is re-opening so I am not going to be 
consumed with the tasks of motherhood all day.

Another suggestion, if you are feeling strong and righteous, is to go 
to the Atlantic Avenue area of Brooklyn Heights/Boerum Hill and hang 
out to be a witness for peace and tolerance. There's a lot of 
Arab-American families living there who are being harassed. Now the 
avenue is cordoned off from the BQE exit all the way to 4th Ave., but 
before that people were driving down the street and cursing and 
spitting and throwing things at anyone who looked middle eastern. 
Some of the congregants of the Unitarian Universalist church in 
Brooklyn Heights have been doing this informally--sitting with arab 
kids on stoops or visiting arab stores and talking to the owners. My 
babysitter, a tiny woman of fierce ethical convictions, who knows a 
lot of these kids because they go to PS261 in Boerum Hill with her 
son, has been doing this. I admire her greatly. I am hoping to get 
things a bit more organized here and go and visit her in the Heights, 
with my son, and try to be a force for normality ourselves. There's 
nothing quite like a mom pushing her kid in a stroller, right?
-- 




Joanna Wissinger
c 917 407 6825 im joannawnyc web http://joannaw.com
content strategy/information architecture/competitive intelligence
what is "ubiquitous platforms"? find out at http://www.joannaw.com/ubiq





FROM: Dave Hodgkinson
DATE: Thu 13:54
SUBJ: [wwwac] Scrapbook?


I feel the urge to write some personal stuff about New York, the
people and me. It's a purely selfish thing in that it contributes
very little to the essential material happenings there now, but a
scrapbook of stories about the WTC and it's daily life seems to me to
be a small tribute.

Any thoughts?

Dave






FROM: Virginia Pruitt
DATE: Thu 09:09
SUBJ: [wwwac] Gatorade wanted by volunteers

One of the teachers from my school (two blocks from WTT) managed to be
accepted as a volunteer yesterday on the basis of her emergency medical
training.  She says all the workers kept asking for Gatorade and that there
was none, only water.

She says the workers appreciated the t-shirts that were delivered, but now
they really need Gatorade.

Does anyone know how to reach the media to ask that Gatorade be sent?

Thanks
Virginia







FROM: Amita Guha
DATE: Thu 09:11
SUBJ: [wwwac] ALERT: bin Laden under house arrest

 > Let them turn him over to the US. Then it'll be an alert.

I actually started laughing yesterday when they reported on
the news that the Taliban was asking the US not to bomb
Afghanistan.

I wish that the coup or whatever that was attempted in
Afghanistan on Tuesday night had worked...







FROM: Paula Freedman
DATE: Thu 06:13
SUBJ: [wwwac] request from CBS 2 Web site

Saw this on the CBS 2 Web site. Please help if you
can, and spread the word.

http://cbsnewyork.com/topstories/StoryFolder/story_540494957_html

"If you have a digital camera or know someone who
does, we are looking to post pictures taken of flags
being flown around the country. These pictures,
emailed to us and posted in increasing numbers on the
local TV and radio sites we operate here in NY(listed
below), will serve as clear and positive evidence of
the country's collective support and strength. 
What to send... original digital pictures of American
flags being flown at residences, businesses etc....
Lower resolution sizes preferred. Please include
location of photo and name of photographer. 
How to send... email to cbsnewyork@...



=====
_________________________________________________________

Paula J. Freedman - pjfreedman@...
_________________________________________________________

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FROM: Kaye
DATE: Thu 09:13
SUBJ: [wwwac] 3D Model of Lower Manhattan?

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for a model of the whole City of New York, there is the one in the Queens Museum
in Flushing Meadow Park. 100% analog, walk around.

Art

Steven Clift wrote:

 > Anyone found a good one?  Which buildings are falling now?
 >
 > What I found:
 > http://www.greatbuildings.com/buildings/World_Trade_Center.html
 > http://www.simcenter.org/Projects/Lower_Manhattan/body_lower_manhattan.html
 > http://www.geoplace.com/gw/1999/0399/399_3d.asp
 >
 > Steven Clift
 > http://www.politicalbs.com

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Concepts in Staffing             f.212-652-0789
9 E. 37th St. 2nd Floor          kaye@...
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FROM: Peter Shankman
DATE: Thu 09:19
SUBJ: [wwwac] Gatorade wanted by volunteers

I'm sending this off to a few TV news producers who I know are working 
right now.

-Pete

At 09:09 AM 9/13/01 -0400, Virginia Pruitt wrote:
 >She says the workers appreciated the t-shirts that were delivered, but now
 >they really need Gatorade.
 >
 >Does anyone know how to reach the media to ask that Gatorade be sent?
 >
 >Thanks
 >Virginia



Peter Shankman
peter@...
www.shankman.com

"While the storm clouds gather far across the sea,
Let us swear allegiance to a land that's free,
Let us all be grateful for a land so fair,
As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer."





FROM: B.K. DeLong
DATE: Thu 09:21
SUBJ: [wwwac] NY Red Cross needs computers/ tech help


 >To: HPforGrownups@...
 >From: kcruse@...
 >Subject: [HPforGrownups] Red Cross in need of Tech Help
 >
 >
 >
 >Hey all:
 >
 >The Red Cross is in need of some tech help with their field
 >operatives in NYC.  They're looking for certified Citrix engineers
 >and Microsoft-certified consultants, as well as a long list of
 >computers, network parts, etc.  You can find more info at:
 >
 >http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/showtell/story/0,23008,3347294,00.h
 >tml
 >
 >If you can help, please do.

--
B.K. DeLong
bkdelong@...
617.877.3271

http://www.brain-stream.com               Play.
http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org        Potter.
http://www.attrition.org                       Security.
http://www.artemisiabotanicals.com     Herb.






FROM: Brigitte.Defoort@...
DATE: Thu 09:28
SUBJ: [wwwac] IT   INFRASTRUCTURE  SPECIALISTS call Melissa 508 620 7755

just got this info from CNBC

---------

Brigitte Defoort
Sr Recruiter
http://www.atvera.com
NYC: +1 917 215 0338
NYC: +1 646 710 1912
vm/fax: 877 379 6033


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FROM: Nathaniel R. Merriam
DATE: Thu 09:29
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rebuild then now (air marshalls)


You're not alone -- but at the same time, i have always been proud of that.
I have always been proud that, despite our worldwide reputation of being a
violent country, most of us have never actually seen an automatic weapon.
We've never actually seen a tank, or an APC.

But you get off a plane in another country, you KNOW you're in another
country -- you're in a place where police have automatic weapons, where they
have shotguns slung over their backs, and you get a rifle in your face if
you try to take a photo at the airport. There are APCs at the end of every
runway.

I don't want that in the US. Its not a matter of us being foolish, its a
matter of us deciding how we want to live. I don't want my children to be
used to seeing people with automatic weapons on every corner.

nathaniel

 >
 > you get off a plane in heathrow, you see lots of armed officers
 > with machine
 > guns who stare you down cold.  you get off a plane in JFK, you may see one
 > or two officers with hand guns, probably chatting to themselves with no
 > concern for you.
 >
 > this is my experience, and i doubt i'm alone in it.
 >






FROM: May S. Young
DATE: Thu 09:37
SUBJ: [wwwac] Japanese Comapnies at the WTC

I saw this at Anime News Service http://www.animenewsservice.com/


9-12-01---- 30+ Japanese Businesses Had Offices In NYC WTC Complex
Source: Below Article Text Copyright Yomiuri Shimbun

Officials from about 30 Japanese companies that have branches in the New
York World Trade Center had feelings of both anxiety and relief on
Wednesday, with some of them unable to confirm the safety of all of their
employees in the building. Among 363 employees who work at the companies,
the safety of 344 had been confirmed by Wednesday night. In addition, Chief
Cabinet Secretary Yasuo Fukuda said Wednesday that a name that appeared to
be that of a Japanese was on the passenger list of the American Airlines
plane that departed Boston for Los Angeles and crashed into the World Trade
Center. Nishi-Nippon Bank of Fukuoka confirmed one of its three employees
in the center was safe, but had not been able to contact the other two, who
were in New York to conduct wrap-up operations after the bank closed its
New York branch Sept. 6. The bank said Minoru Tahara, 45, the branch's
former manager, was confirmed safe, but it had not been able to contact
Kazuhiro Anai, 42, and Takuya Nakamura, 30. Yoko Nagata, the younger sister
of Anai, said at her home in Fukuoka: "So far I have received no
information about him. I'm scared." Yu, 60, father of Nakamura, said from
his home in Yamaguchi Prefecture: "I found out from a TV news program that
my son's safety has not been confirmed. I can only pray for him." Fuji
Bank's countermeasure headquarters said Wednesday that the safety of about
50 of its 500 local employees in New York, including 12 Japanese employees,
had not been confirmed. Employees in New York were visiting about 100
hospitals where victims were taken to confirm whether the missing workers
were hospitalized, but their identities unknown, bank officials said. A
male employee at the Tokyo head office said: "I couldn't sleep last night
while watching TV news programs. I hope we will soon be told they are
safe." Nomura Research Institute said two of its employees who were in New
York on a business trip at the time of the attacks were still unaccounted
for. The institute said Takashi Ogawa, 37, and Sanae Mori, 27, both of its
system consulting division, had not been contacted since the incident. Both
were scheduled to attend a financial conference held on the 106th floor of
the north tower at 8 a.m. Tuesday, it said. Chuo Mitsui Trust & Banking Co.
had not confirmed the safety of three employees of its New York office and
a local affiliate that were located on the 83rd floor of the south tower of
the destroyed center. Nikko Securities International, a local subsidiary of
Nikko Securities Co., confirmed the safety of all of its 20 employees in
New York. Though four of them were in the office on the 79th floor of the
north tower and contact with them was lost, the company confirmed their
safety on Wednesday morning. Dai-Ichi Kangyo Bank also confirmed the safety
of all 80 of its Japanese employees working in its branch in the north
tower at 3:12 a.m. Wednesday. Cosmos Services, an affiliate of Itochu
Corp., which was located on the 89th floor of the north tower, confirmed
the safety of 11 staff members, including eight Japanese employees. Hiroo
Tani, 38, of Shizuoka Bank, escaped from the office of the bank's New York
branch on the 80th floor of the south tower. Nobuhiko Atsuchi, 36, another
employee working at the branch, was also confirmed safe, officials of the
bank said. Their family members said they had given up hope after hearing
the news, but were relieved when they later discovered their loved ones
were alive.




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FROM: Kim B. Foglia
DATE: Thu 09:46
SUBJ: [wwwac] helping kids cope

Two sites from the National Association of School Psychologists which
  may be of some help today in your school.

  Children and Responding to National Disaster Information for Children
  (for educators)
  http://www.nasponline.org/NEAT/terror_eds.html

  Helping Children Cope with Tuesday's Act of Terrorism
  http://www.nasponline.org/NEAT/terrorism.html


Kim B. Foglia
Chief Creative Officer
Galt Corporation
http://www.galtcorporation.com
631.756.0200 x204 voice
631.756.0789 fax





FROM: Peter Shankman
DATE: Thu 09:53
SUBJ: [wwwac] Heading up to the Red Cross Center

All:

I'm taking about 50 Cat. 5 cables of different sizes up to the Red Cross 
building on Amsterdam Ave, along with a bunch of octopus plugs and 
telephone wires. One of the benefits of selling your agency and going back 
to working in your apartment, is that you have a shitload of stuff left 
over. Here's a perfect chance to do something with it.

I'll keep you posted when I get back as to what else they need.

-Peter


Peter Shankman
peter@...
www.shankman.com

"While the storm clouds gather far across the sea,
Let us swear allegiance to a land that's free,
Let us all be grateful for a land so fair,
As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer."





FROM: Mark Frieser
DATE: Thu 10:08
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rebuild then now (air marshalls)

People are talking a lot about civil freedom - and that's nice in theory but
in fact, if having a ship in the harbor and semi-automatics on the airport
security will keep the next 20,000 from dying, I'm all for a greater
military presence and tighter security.  Giving away supposed "freedoms" you
don't really have anyway are the price many countries pay for security.

Compared to our allies in Europe and Asia, our airport security is
positively third world.  If any country in the EU or Japan or Singapore saw
that there were people like these individuals coming through security, you
can be sure that they'd have swooped down on them like swiftly, and rightly
so.

People in Europe and the parts of Asia I've described have freedoms (don't
start on Singapore -it's much freer than you may think) and security.
Moreover, they use better security equipment and are much better trained.

And, I know that some people don't want to see racial profiling of people of
Arab descent at the airports.  Too bad.  I'm so sick of people complaining
about how we're trouncing on other's rights.  I am not a racist or a
xenophobe, not at all, but if it takes someone with a passport form the
United Arab Emirates an extra 30 minutes at customs or security to ensure
that person is not a terrorist, so be it.  Any Arab-American - or anyone who
cares about this country would understand and willingly put up with this
inconvenience for the sake of their country.

All our other allies act this way and its about time that Americans get the
message that vigilance and security does not mean that they have to give us
their personal freedom.  When I see the F-18's in the skies of Manhattan ,
the army trucks going downtown and ships in the air, I feel safer, not that
someone's taking away my precious freedom.  Freedom to live is one's first
priority, and there are over 20,000 people in New York who would have the
basic freedom if we had better security.

We live in a new world now, and we have to think about our security in a
much different way than we did in the past.  And that requires new thinking
about civil liberties too.


On 13-09-2001 9:29, "Nathaniel R. Merriam" <NMerriam@... > wrote:

 > 
 > You're not alone -- but at the same time, i have always been proud of that.
 > I have always been proud that, despite our worldwide reputation of being a
 > violent country, most of us have never actually seen an automatic weapon.
 > We've never actually seen a tank, or an APC.
 > 
 > But you get off a plane in another country, you KNOW you're in another
 > country -- you're in a place where police have automatic weapons, where they
 > have shotguns slung over their backs, and you get a rifle in your face if
 > you try to take a photo at the airport. There are APCs at the end of every
 > runway.
 > 
 > I don't want that in the US. Its not a matter of us being foolish, its a
 > matter of us deciding how we want to live. I don't want my children to be
 > used to seeing people with automatic weapons on every corner.
 > 
 > nathaniel
 > 
 > > 
 > > you get off a plane in heathrow, you see lots of armed officers
 > > with machine
 > > guns who stare you down cold.  you get off a plane in JFK, you may see one
 > > or two officers with hand guns, probably chatting to themselves with no
 > > concern for you.
 > > 
 > > this is my experience, and i doubt i'm alone in it.






FROM: pumpernickelpickle
DATE: Thu 07:09
SUBJ: [wwwac] Cantor Fitzgerald employees?

Hi everyone,

I know that we are all looking for friends and family
members and I pray that your searches lead you to
those that you seek. 

I, too, am looking for someone. I was wondering if
anyone has heard any information about survivors from
Cantor Fitzgerald? We are searching for a dear friend
of ours, Joe Corbett, and no one has heard from him. I
know that the offices of Cantor Fitzgerald were badly
damaged, but we are keeping our hopes up. 

If anyone has any information whatsoever, or knows
employees from Cantor Fitzgerald that survived, please
let me know. His wife, Felicia, woudl appreciate any
information.

Any and all help is greatly appreciated. Everyone is
in my thoughts...

denine m. anderson
pnp

__________________________________________________
Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help?
Donate cash, emergency relief information
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FROM: 
DATE: Thu 09:10
SUBJ: [wwwac] wtclist


I can't believe the childish of some of the names on the
ny.com/wtclist.html

I've written the editor about some of the posts, but they seem to be
increasing. 






FROM: carole guevin
DATE: Thu 10:12
SUBJ: [wwwac] volunteering

ABC just announced that sometimes this afternoon the Javitts Center will be
dedicated to registering volunteers from medical, technical and ordinary
people.  you will need to provide identification, skills you have and
receive proper clearance before being put on a calling as needed list.  Will
forward more info on this later.

carole







FROM: pumpernickelpickle
DATE: Thu 07:23
SUBJ: [wwwac] wtclist

I, too, am upset by the immaturity of these people. It
is incredibly frustrating to those who are looking for
loved ones to find such moronic names posted to these
boards.

Very disappointing.

--- grimmwerks@... wrote:
 > 
 > I can't believe the childish of some of the names on
 > the
 > ny.com/wtclist.html
 > 
 > I've written the editor about some of the posts, but
 > they seem to be
 > increasing. 


__________________________________________________
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FROM: Rick Ellis
DATE: Thu 14:24
SUBJ: [wwwac] Cantor Fitzgerald employees?

Sigh. These may be some of the hardest hit people in the WTC.

The last semi-official numbers I hard last night were that of the 1,000 or 
so employees believed to be in the Cantor Fitz offices, they had accounted 
for fewer than 90.

I'm sure she has this info, but for those who don't:

For Family and Friends of Cantor Fitzgerald, eSpeed and TradeSpark employees 
a CRISIS CENTER has been opened at:

Pierre Hotel
61st Street and Fifth Avenue
Enter at the 61st Street Ballroom Entrance

Wednesday (09/12/2001) from 4:00 PM to 9:00 PM

Thursday and Friday (09/13 - 09/14/2001) from 9:00 AM to 9:00 PM

For Employees and Family Members only, call the CRISIS CENTER at:
1 (212) 940-8162
1 (212) 940-8482
1 (212) 940-8492
1 (212) 893-6073

Any Cantor Fitzgerald, eSpeed or TradeSpark employee that has not checked in 
please call:
1 (212) 309-4150

or email to:
WTCPEOPLEINFO@...
WTCPEOPLEINFO@...

For any media inquiries please contact:
Jeff Siegel at Edelman Public Relations 1 (212) 819-4863


I knew a lot of people there...this is tough to think about.

Rick Ellis
www.allyourtv.com

 >From: pumpernickelpickle <pumpernickelpickle@... >
 >To: wwwac@...
 >Subject: [wwwac] Cantor Fitzgerald employees?
 >Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 07:09:53 -0700 (PDT)
 >
 >Hi everyone,
 >
 >I know that we are all looking for friends and family
 >members and I pray that your searches lead you to
 >those that you seek.
 >
 >I, too, am looking for someone. I was wondering if
 >anyone has heard any information about survivors from
 >Cantor Fitzgerald? We are searching for a dear friend
 >of ours, Joe Corbett, and no one has heard from him. I
 >know that the offices of Cantor Fitzgerald were badly
 >damaged, but we are keeping our hopes up.
 >
 >If anyone has any information whatsoever, or knows
 >employees from Cantor Fitzgerald that survived, please
 >let me know. His wife, Felicia, woudl appreciate any
 >information.
 >
 >Any and all help is greatly appreciated. Everyone is
 >in my thoughts...
 >
 >denine m. anderson
 >pnp
 >

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FROM: Jessica Elkin
DATE: Thu 10:25
SUBJ: [wwwac] wtclist

I was also shocked to see fake posts on some of the other "okay" lists as
well.

I hope they take them down as it's just so disrespectful of those who lost
their lives.

 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: grimmwerks@... <mailto:grimmwerks@... >
 > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:10 AM
 > To: wwwac@...
 > Subject: [wwwac] wtclist
 >
 >
 >
 > I can't believe the childish of some of the names on the
 > ny.com/wtclist.html
 >
 > I've written the editor about some of the posts, but they seem to be
 > increasing.






FROM: Chris Toliver
DATE: Thu 10:24
SUBJ: [wwwac] the latest

The police just shut down all exits from Staten Island.
Something about a high speed chase w/ an anti-terrorism unit.
Fox 5 news.

-----Original Message-----
From: grimmwerks@... <mailto:grimmwerks@... >
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:10
To: wwwac@...
Subject: [wwwac] wtclist



I can't believe the childish of some of the names on the
ny.com/wtclist.html

I've written the editor about some of the posts, but they seem to be
increasing.






FROM: Scott Bowling
DATE: Thu 10:25
SUBJ: [wwwac] ALT parking?

On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 23:49:48 -0400
Kathy Forer <kef@... > wrote:
 > ...
 > I don't see how anyone can accuse me of anything as petty as you seem 
 > to ascribe. If I asked who knew about school openings and closings, 
 > would I have gotten the same reaction?
 > 
Please be careful as to the loose use of "you" in your complaint. Though
two other people made comments disparaging your question, I defended it.
So I ascribed no pettiness, and I merely answered the question. Please
don't shoot the messenger, ok?

Scott






FROM: Virginia Pruitt
DATE: Thu 10:32
SUBJ: [wwwac] Gatorade for volunteers

Several people have been very helpful about reaching media and about
contacting the Gatorade company.  Should I list those names?

This group is great.

My colleague went earlier to volunteer again.  I hope she gets to pass out
the Gatorade.

Virginia


 >One of the teachers from my school (two blocks from WTT) managed to be
 >accepted as a volunteer yesterday on the basis of her emergency medical
 >training.  She says all the workers kept asking for Gatorade and that there
 >was none, only water.
 >
 >She says the workers appreciated the t-shirts that were delivered, but now
 >they really need Gatorade.
 >
 >Does anyone know how to reach the media to ask that Gatorade be sent?









FROM: 
DATE: Thu 10:40
SUBJ: [wwwac] OT-BS: Why didn't anyone know?

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In a message dated 9/12/2001 1:02:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
raphis@... writes:


 > Jim, Jim, Jim,
 > All American not-biased not racist Jim.
 > 

I said nothing bigoted. What did I say that was disgusting?
And I have seen no denial of my basic point: Israeli activists commited 
terrorist crimes against many innocent British citizens. No denial that those 
terrorists took top posts in the new Israeli government. No denial, because 
it is true.

as Jim writes:

 > "As Israelis go from Palestinian town after another bulldozing their homes,
 > starving them, shooting those who protest (like children with rocks, etc.)
 > do we have to wonder why they might go to the lengths Palestinians have gone
 > to?"
 > Yes we have to wonder what lengths. Are you suggesting that you support
 > these horrible acts TODAY? I should hope not.
 > 

I don't support terrorism. One poster had called terrorism the last resort of 
a desperate people. The second poster cursed out the first poster. I was 
posting in support of the first poster. 

And by the way, if bulldozing entire towns in vengence for a single bomb, or 
for a single death of an Israeli soldier, is not terrorism, what is?

I notice that you don't deny that Israeli soldiers, in Palestine, shoot 
rock-throwing children to death. You can't deny it: these events are 
chronicled in all three NY newspapers through the years.

 > Jim also writes
 > "people in another country are distressed to the point of madness at not
 > being able to have something as simple as shelter."
 > 
 > FYI - PLENTY of Palestinians live very well in Israel, Gaza and the West
 > Bank. They make real money, spend it and enjoy a pretty normal life. They
 > vote as Israeli citizens and have pretty good jobs. How do I know? I have
 > lived in Israel, interacted with them and enjoyed their company. In
 > addition, I have also visited other various Middle Eastern countries and can
 > say that the people enjoy an equal if not a more free and democratic life.
 > When are you going to understand that Israel is the only democracy in the
 > Middle East and only true ally of the United States and the free world?
 > 

Plenty of Palestinians lead "pretty normal lives"? What's a ''pretty normal" 
life?
Anyone but anyone following the news knows perfectly well that the 
Palestinians are second class citizens and take the lowest jobs, etc.

When I hear you I remember a Northern Irish businessman I met in a pub in 
Cork ten years ago telling me that Catholics led "pretty decent" lives in N. 
Ireland, and "didn't suffer any predjudice." He had a vested interest. And 
you evidently do as well.

And no government or democracy, no matter how isolated it is, should be able 
to commit the attrocities that Israel has committed, and continues to commit, 
against the Palestinians.

 > When security doesn't work, lessons do. When someone blows themselves up in
 > a public restaurant, you have to punish someone. When someone slams a plane
 > into an American national landmark, you go after the terrorists, their
 > supporters and the people who are hiding them. That's what our US government
 > 

This is the saddest part of your email. 
You say "when security doesn't work, lessons do"..."You have to punish 
someone" Even if you don't know who commited the crime? For all the paliative 
words in your email, you do embody the old biblical "eye for an eye, tooth 
for a tooth" ethic that has maintained this ethic war for thousands of years.

The US will at least find out which individuals performed this terrorist act 
and bring them to justice. But when Israel suffers a death or an explosion, 
they retaliate with a nearly random bulldozing of another town. No focus on 
real justice. Just good old biblical revenge in the massive destruction of 
the whole village's men, women's and children's lives. That's not terrorism? 
That's your idea of justice? That's your idea of a lesson?

You say "when security doesn't work, lessons do." What do they do? Maintain 
ethnic hatreds that are thousands of years old. Eldridge Cleaver said, "If 
you're not the solution, you're part of the problem." What are you?

-"Jim, Jim, Jim"

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FROM: Justin Greene
DATE: Thu 10:54
SUBJ: [wwwac] Keep them out of the cockpit (was: Rebuild then now (air marshals
	))

I find the security discussion a little frustrating.  There is little that
can be done to prevent someone who is determined to bring a cutting device
onto an airplane from doing so, and all the talk about stricter security so
that you cannot get a pocket knife on a plane is stupid.  It will no solve
the problem.

Our security measures have been aimed mostly as stopping bombs and guns, and
our hijacking response mechanisms have run under the assumption that the
hijackers had demands that could be met.

The only way to stop someone from taking over a plane is to prevent access
to the cockpit.  If a plane is hijacked, fly them where they want, but keep
them out of the cockpit.  Let me say it again... keep them out of the
cockpit.  All the other security seems secondary (Important, but secondary).

Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Frieser <mailto:mark@... >
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:08 AM
To: wwwac@...
Subject: WWWAC: Re: [wwwac] Rebuild then now (air marshalls)

<SNIP >

Compared to our allies in Europe and Asia, our airport security is
positively third world.  If any country in the EU or Japan or Singapore saw
that there were people like these individuals coming through security, you
can be sure that they'd have swooped down on them like swiftly, and rightly
so.

People in Europe and the parts of Asia I've described have freedoms (don't
start on Singapore -it's much freer than you may think) and security.
Moreover, they use better security equipment and are much better trained.

<SNIP >





FROM: Amita Guha
DATE: Thu 10:55
SUBJ: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel

One of the things that has freaked me out since
the tragedy on Tuesday is the sudden realization
that in the wrong hands, a jet plane can become
a giant bomb. But I just thought of something...
would it be possible to create some sort of fuel
or other method of propulsion that wouldn't be
flammable? It wouldn't eliminate the threat of
heinous acts, but if they were still committed,
maybe the loss of lives would be a lot less.

Perhaps this tragedy will bring around a new
era in air travel, the way the Hindenberg disaster
ended the popularity of zeppelins and made way for
airplanes.

Am I the only person here who is completely terrified
of getting on a plane again? Reply off list if you
want to talk....






FROM: Duane Douglas
DATE: Thu 10:55
SUBJ: [wwwac] Official WTC Missing Persons List

nyc (mayor's office?) is maintaining a wtc missing persons list.  i have no 
other info.  i'll post it when i get.

if (duane.douglas) { technologies = asp && php && cgi_perl && cold fusion 
&& xml && xsl && sql server && mysql && javascript }





FROM: Jonathan Ezor
DATE: Thu 10:52
SUBJ: [wwwac] Red Cross needs assistance....

I'm on digest and so not sure if this made it to the WWWAC list yet.  If so,
my apologies for the repost.  {Jonathan}

-------------------
Jonathan I. Ezor
General Counsel, CyberRebate.com, Inc.  <http://www.cyberrebate.com >
T. (*NEW DIRECT*) 516-763-5999   f. 516-977-3001
e. jezor@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Rachel Luxemburg
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:00 AM
To: NYPalm
Subject: [NYCDAUG-PALM] FW: Red Cross needs assistance....


Red Cross just said they need assistance with tech equipment and services.
Any techies on this list willing and able to help?


They specifically need:
40 IBM computers and laptops (with NICs)
Monitors (with desktops)
Any storage solutions
25 10/100 hubs (8+ Ports)
100 Cat5 cables (All lengths)
50 power strips
Any IBM-compatible memory
Any 3Com wireless NIC cards and LAN products
30 desktop-size UPSs
15 LaserJet printers (HP 1100 or faster) and printer supplies
20 external Zip drives and disks
Any diskettes and R/W CDs
5 external CD burners
5 duplex document scanners
25 extension cords
any colored tie wraps
any Velcro cable wraps
50 Citrix client licenses
12 PCMCIA LAN cards for IBM P20 ThinkPads, preferably 3Com (in addition to
those in the new PCs)
50 Microsoft Exchange CALs
35 Microsoft SQL CALs
50 Microsoft Office Professional licenses
15 PC Anywhere licenses
DSL lines
PDAs with wireless capacity and service
Nextel cellphones and service

in addition to certified Citrix engineers and Microsoft consultants.

Head on over here for more info:
http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/showtell/story/0,23008,3347294,00.html






FROM: Eric Berg
DATE: Thu 10:56
SUBJ: [wwwac] Is it time to sacrafice some of our freedoms?

A logical extension might be to ban planes, too.

-Eric.

Jeremy Zevin: [Wednesday 12-September]:

 > http://www.msnbc.com/news/627390_asp.htm

-- 
Eric D. Berg <eberg@... >
http://nylug.org/~eberg
Tel.  212-974-1041
Cell. 646-418-3608
AIM:  RickyBerg
ICQ:  eberg/83988870






FROM: 
DATE: Thu 10:05
SUBJ: [wwwac] Cantor Fitzgerald employees?


I noticed on one of the 'I'm ok' lists that a _few_ of Cantor Fitzgerald
had been listed on the ny.com/wtclist.html as ok, but they hadn't heard
from them...so I don't know what to think.

I'm also looking for one from the 104th floor - Jim Ladley - so if there's
ANYONE from those floors that have made it through, please let me know.

On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, pumpernickelpickle wrote:

 > Hi everyone,
 > 
 > I know that we are all looking for friends and family
 > members and I pray that your searches lead you to
 > those that you seek. 
 > 
 > I, too, am looking for someone. I was wondering if
 > anyone has heard any information about survivors from
 > Cantor Fitzgerald? We are searching for a dear friend
 > of ours, Joe Corbett, and no one has heard from him. I
 > know that the offices of Cantor Fitzgerald were badly
 > damaged, but we are keeping our hopes up. 
 > 
 > If anyone has any information whatsoever, or knows
 > employees from Cantor Fitzgerald that survived, please
 > let me know. His wife, Felicia, woudl appreciate any
 > information.
 > 
 > Any and all help is greatly appreciated. Everyone is
 > in my thoughts...
 > 
 > denine m. anderson
 > pnp
 > 
 > __________________________________________________
 > Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help?
 > Donate cash, emergency relief information
 > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/






FROM: May S. Young
DATE: Thu 11:09
SUBJ: [wwwac] Emergency Web Site Assistance (Part 2)

Hello Folks,

Peter Shankman posted some info on the NY Red Cross IT Center yesterday.
I called the offices of Webman Associates this morning to sign up for
volunteer services.

The contacts are as follows:

Dorothy Webman, President/CEO
Webman Associates
1650 Broadway, Suite 701
New York, NY, 10019
Phone: (212) 459-0944

Joe Leo, Asst. Director Business Applications
American Red Cross New York
150 Amsterdam Ave.
New York, NY, 10023
Phone: 212 875 2409
Email: jleo@...

* I tried calling him, but his voicemail box is now full, you have speak to
a rep from Webman Associates though.

* Thanks to Peter Shankman for passing along the info.


Regards,


May





h   i   r   e   g   u   n   .   c   o   m
--------------------------------------------
graphics for web and multimedia

contact - may s. young
vox -  845 365 1903
email - may@...
URL - http://www.hiregun.com







FROM: Gilbert Midonnet
DATE: Thu 11:12
SUBJ: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel

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I think the most important thing is to

1. put steel reinforced cockpit doors and walls 
2. no matter what happens outside the pilots are never to relinquish control
of the aircraft.

I find it disgusting that it was policy for the airline pilots to do so.  I
hope people who before this squirmed at the thought and considered it
alarmist rhetoric would now recognize it as a rational approach.

With these two precautions in place damage, hence motive, is curtailed.


-- gilbert midonnet









-----Original Message-----
From: Amita Guha <mailto:bfift2girl@... >
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:56 AM
To: wwwac@...
Subject: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel


One of the things that has freaked me out since
the tragedy on Tuesday is the sudden realization
that in the wrong hands, a jet plane can become
a giant bomb. But I just thought of something...
would it be possible to create some sort of fuel
or other method of propulsion that wouldn't be
flammable? It wouldn't eliminate the threat of
heinous acts, but if they were still committed,
maybe the loss of lives would be a lot less.

Perhaps this tragedy will bring around a new
era in air travel, the way the Hindenberg disaster
ended the popularity of zeppelins and made way for
airplanes.

Am I the only person here who is completely terrified
of getting on a plane again? Reply off list if you
want to talk....


----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------- 
This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain
confidential, proprietary or legally 
privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by
any mistransmission. If 
you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all
copies of it from your 
system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not,
directly or indirectly, 
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are not the intended 
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C13C66.87C37930--





FROM: Matt
DATE: Thu 11:13
SUBJ: [wwwac] volunteering

Please let us know as soon as you hear anything about this. I can't just sit
and watch it on TV anymore.

thanks,

Matt

carole guevin wrote:

 > ABC just announced that sometimes this afternoon the Javitts Center will be
 > dedicated to registering volunteers from medical, technical and ordinary
 > people.  you will need to provide identification, skills you have and
 > receive proper clearance before being put on a calling as needed list.  Will
 > forward more info on this later.
 >
 > carole






FROM: 
DATE: Thu 11:12
SUBJ: [wwwac] OT-BS: Why didn't anyone know?

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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Hey guys... no offense... but...

TAKE THIS FUCKING BULLSHIT OFFLIST... 

The last thing we need is another THREAD OF BICKERING... 

SAve the bandwidth for people who are figuring out how to help... 

again... no offense... but this shit is played out right now... 

thanks

ozZMUDD

In a message dated 9/13/2001 10:51:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
JRFarrell17@... writes:


 >  > Jim, Jim, Jim,
 >  > All American not-biased not racist Jim.
 >  > 
 > 
 > I said nothing bigoted. What did I say that was disgusting?
 > And I have seen no denial of my basic point: Israeli activists commited 
 > terrorist crimes against many innocent British citizens. No denial that 
 > those 
 > terrorists took top posts in the new Israeli government. No denial, because 
 > it is true.
 > 



--part1_11d.46e21b2.28d226dc_boundary--





FROM: Piri Miller
DATE: Thu 11:19
SUBJ: [wwwac] blind nationalism


"i've become increasingly concerned with the amount of blind nationalism
spewing from some people's mouths lately.  i've heard the phrase "sand
nigger" come from the mouths of people who would never call me a wop.  i saw
the media point fingers at the arabs before any information at all was
gathered.  this is scaring the hell out of me."
___________________________________________________________________

Its a natural reaction.

My immigrant liberal mother has been spouting the strangest things about
Arabs ever since Tuesday.

I think I've found full-blooded Americans to be LESS racist and MORE
cautious about the threat to civil liberties than others.

Being as we're indoctrinated from birth with this land of the free (and
recent generations) anti-racism rhetoric.

I'm finding a lot of guilt in my confusion honestly. That I can stop and
think for a second that the terrorists might have a point. Guilt that I
don't know how to hate a whole group of people for letting this happen or
doing this on purpose. I'm jealous of the 1944 Americans who could
spontaneously hate the Japanese, a clear purpose of retribution. Maybe this
is wrong, but our souls are as bloody as our streets are today. We owe it to
the dead to tear into our enemies and crush them. Leave no doubt that this
attack was a massive mistake on their part. Teach the terrorists how to
fear.

I don't know anyone who cares about American oppression anymore. In fact,
I'm hearing "they haven't even SEEN American oppression yet, but they sure
will now....".

As the Arab nations harbor terrorist training grounds, terrorists, and no
small amount of hatred of Americans, is it really RACISM to fear them? Is
this really an irrational bigoted hatred of people based on skin color and
religion? Is this really blind nationalisim? They took out the World Trade
Center very quickly and easily, with our own planes and people. We have not
become anything. We are reacting to the more horrifying attack on America,
ever.

I wish I wasn't an atheist today, praying must be one hell of a comfort. I'm
looking into enlisting. I hope that they can find some use for me.

- piri m.


-----Original Message-----
From: daniel vena <mailto:daniel@... >
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 7:26 PM
To: wwwac@...
Subject: [wwwac] blind nationalism


i've become increasingly concerned with the amount of blind nationalism
spewing from some people's mouths lately.  i've heard the phrase "sand
nigger" come from the mouths of people who would never call me a wop.  i saw
the media point fingers at the arabs before any information at all was
gathered.  this is scaring the hell out of me.

what have we become?

it shocks me that, simply because the media may have been right, they are
not going to be held responsible for what was blatant sensationalism
bordering on racism.  i'm surprised that no one remembers the media doing
this very same thing with oklahoma.  in all honesty, i feel that these
reactions are as un-american as anything i can think of.

please, take a minute to let your friends and family know that there are two
sides to every story.  we're being bombarded by pro-american propaganda
right now, and we must consider the source.  i do not suggest, by any means,
that we downplay the tragedy, however we must not let ourselves become the
monsters i feel we are becoming.

thank you.

--
_d.vena \\ www.vena.net









FROM: Beth
DATE: Thu 11:20
SUBJ: [wwwac] [uh, slightly off-topic] donate blood!


the truth: safe sex, even with a tattooed bisexual prostitute drug-addict
from england, is always safer than unprotected sex.  the question should
simply be "have you had unprotected sex in the last ___ years?"

despite the fact that i have been tested & always practice safe sex, my male
partner has been with men, so i can't give blood.  it makes me sad, because
i would gladly give buckets of it.

beth

____________________________

Beth Budwig, web primate
beth@...

http://wso.williams.edu/~ebudwig
____________________________


 > From: Donna Jones <donnajj@... >
 > Organization: West End Webs
 > Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:47:46 -0400
 > To: dfassoc@...
 > Cc: wwwac@...
 > Subject: Re: [wwwac] donate blood!
 > 
 > > If you don't see the outrage, consider that a heterosexual female who
 > > engages in unsafe sex with HIV+ men would not be rejected, whereas a
 > > gay man, regardless of sexual practices or HIV status, will be
 > > rejected *not because of dangerous sex practices* but on the basis of
 > > his being gay. It's a double standard: gay men are rejected just
 > > because they are gay, while heterosexuals are considered on the basis
 > > of practices.
 > 
 > ah, David.  This is not correct, at least in Portland, Maine and I think the
 > policies are
 > probably the same across the country.   I happened just to have given blood a
 > couple of
 > weeks ago and one of the questions was essentially have "you had sex with a
 > gay man
 > within the past x years" - they worded it better but that was the essence of
 > it.  They
 > also ask about travel (mad cow, I suppose) and other things.  ....I'm talking
 > about the
 > American Red Cross, I guess there are other places and there polities may
 > vary.
 > 
 > best regards
 > Donna
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 > Donna Jones
 > Home Site:  http://www.westendwebs.com
 > Have you been to the hunger site ( http://thehungersite.com/ ) today?






FROM: Thomas Walser
DATE: Thu 11:22
SUBJ: [wwwac] earthlink access not working

hi again,

i'm replying to my own post here, 'cause i'm not sure if i made myself clear.
earthlink dsl service, not dial-up service, is down in the nyc and dc areas.
they are also having problems with password recognition and such.

i think that i heard that earthlink was cooperating with the fbi because some
of the terrorists might have had earthlink accounts.  does anyone have any
information with regard to this?  why wouldn't both dsl and dial-up service be
down?  if this disruption is because of physical damage, why would the same
situation be taking place in dc (their message yesterday said that dsl was also
unavailable there, i think)?

thanks again,

tom

Thomas Walser wrote:

 > hi,
 >
 > i've been offline for about 24 hours now and have therefore had over 400
 > emails from this list which i did not really read. so, i may be wrong,
 > but i don't think that this has been discussed -- does anyone know what
 > is going on with earthlink?
 >
 > i understand that they are cooperating with the fbi and handing them
 > over all sorts of user information.  why would this disable their dsl
 > service, though?  i was online yesterday until sometime in the evening,
 > so i don't think my service interruption was a direct result of the
 > attack.  i called today to get tech support and asked if the
 > interruption had to do with an fbi investigation, and the guy told me he
 > couldn't comment.  also, for a few hours, i received 2 copies of most of
 > my emails -- were there 2 versions of my account somewhere for a while?
 >
 > i'd appreciate any insight.
 >
 > -tom






FROM: Brooklyn Linux Solutions
DATE: Thu 11:24
SUBJ: [wwwac] Keep them out of the cockpit (was: Rebuild then now (air marshals ))

This is 100% correct.  These planes were taken over with the force of your
average street mugging.

Ruben


<< On 2001.09.13 10:54:48 -0400 Justin Greene wrote: I find the security
discussion a little frustrating. There is little that can be done to
prevent someone who is determined to bring a cutting device onto an
airplane from doing so, and all the talk about stricter security so that
you cannot get a pocket knife on a plane is stupid. It will no solve the
problem. > >

Our security measures have been aimed mostly as stopping bombs and guns,
and our hijacking response mechanisms have run under the assumption that
the hijackers had demands that could be met.

The only way to stop someone from taking over a plane is to prevent access
to the cockpit. If a plane is hijacked, fly them where they want, but keep
them out of the cockpit. Let me say it again... keep them out of the
cockpit. All the other security seems secondary (Important, but secondary).

Justin

-----Original Message----- From: Mark Frieser <mailto:mark@... >
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:08 AM To: wwwac@...
Subject: WWWAC: Re: [wwwac] Rebuild then now (air marshalls)

<SNIP >

Compared to our allies in Europe and Asia, our airport security is
positively third world. If any country in the EU or Japan or Singapore saw
that there were people like these individuals coming through security, you
can be sure that they'd have swooped down on them like swiftly, and rightly
so.

People in Europe and the parts of Asia I've described have freedoms (don't
start on Singapore -it's much freer than you may think) and security.
Moreover, they use better security equipment and are much better trained.

<SNIP >

-- Brooklyn Linux Solutions http://www.mrbrklyn.com
http://www.brooklynonline.com

1-718-382-5752 





FROM: Michelle Staggs
DATE: Thu 11:34
SUBJ: [wwwac] Scrapbook?


I think it is a great idea.  Not that we will or could ever forget.  I am
going to do one for myself if nothing else.  Let me know if you would be
interested in receiving articles from newspapers outside of NYC.

Michelle



-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Hodgkinson <mailto:daveh@... >
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:54 AM
To: wwwac@...
Subject: [wwwac] Scrapbook?



I feel the urge to write some personal stuff about New York, the
people and me. It's a purely selfish thing in that it contributes
very little to the essential material happenings there now, but a
scrapbook of stories about the WTC and it's daily life seems to me to
be a small tribute.

Any thoughts?

Dave






FROM: Block, Ben
DATE: Thu 11:17
SUBJ: [wwwac] Cantor Fitzgerald employees?

I've heard there are many people on those lists listed as "OK" that are, in
fact, still missing and may not be OK. Apparently there are a lot of people
getting false hope from this list.



-----Original Message-----
From: grimmwerks@... <mailto:grimmwerks@... >
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:05 AM
To: pumpernickelpickle
Cc: wwwac@...
Subject: Re: [wwwac] Cantor Fitzgerald employees?



I noticed on one of the 'I'm ok' lists that a _few_ of Cantor Fitzgerald
had been listed on the ny.com/wtclist.html as ok, but they hadn't heard
from them...so I don't know what to think.

I'm also looking for one from the 104th floor - Jim Ladley - so if there's
ANYONE from those floors that have made it through, please let me know.

On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, pumpernickelpickle wrote:

 > Hi everyone,
 > 
 > I know that we are all looking for friends and family
 > members and I pray that your searches lead you to
 > those that you seek. 
 > 
 > I, too, am looking for someone. I was wondering if
 > anyone has heard any information about survivors from
 > Cantor Fitzgerald? We are searching for a dear friend
 > of ours, Joe Corbett, and no one has heard from him. I
 > know that the offices of Cantor Fitzgerald were badly
 > damaged, but we are keeping our hopes up. 
 > 
 > If anyone has any information whatsoever, or knows
 > employees from Cantor Fitzgerald that survived, please
 > let me know. His wife, Felicia, woudl appreciate any
 > information.
 > 
 > Any and all help is greatly appreciated. Everyone is
 > in my thoughts...
 > 
 > denine m. anderson
 > pnp
 > 
 > __________________________________________________
 > Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help?
 > Donate cash, emergency relief information
 > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/






FROM: cb
DATE: Thu 11:35
SUBJ: [wwwac] volunteering

Same here. Please let us know. I cant sit here and do nothing.

thanks,
dawn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <mspiegler@... >
To: "wwwac" <wwwac@... >
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [wwwac] volunteering


 > Please let us know as soon as you hear anything about this. I can't just
sit
 > and watch it on TV anymore.
 >
 > thanks,
 >
 > Matt
 >
 > carole guevin wrote:
 >
 >  > ABC just announced that sometimes this afternoon the Javitts Center will
be
 >  > dedicated to registering volunteers from medical, technical and ordinary
 >  > people.  you will need to provide identification, skills you have and
 >  > receive proper clearance before being put on a calling as needed list.
Will
 >  > forward more info on this later.
 >  >
 >  > carole






FROM: Chris Toliver
DATE: Thu 11:28
SUBJ: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel

They have plans for Kevlar reinforced cabins but they scrapped the plans
saying it would be too hard to get into after a crash. Like that matters.

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: Gilbert Midonnet <mailto:Gilbert.Midonnet@... >
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:13
To: wwwac@...
Subject: RE: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel


I think the most important thing is to

1. put steel reinforced cockpit doors and walls
2. no matter what happens outside the pilots are never to relinquish control
of the aircraft.

I find it disgusting that it was policy for the airline pilots to do so.  I
hope people who before this squirmed at the thought and considered it
alarmist rhetoric would now recognize it as a rational approach.

With these two precautions in place damage, hence motive, is curtailed.


-- gilbert midonnet









-----Original Message-----
From: Amita Guha <mailto:bfift2girl@... >
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:56 AM
To: wwwac@...
Subject: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel


One of the things that has freaked me out since
the tragedy on Tuesday is the sudden realization
that in the wrong hands, a jet plane can become
a giant bomb. But I just thought of something...
would it be possible to create some sort of fuel
or other method of propulsion that wouldn't be
flammable? It wouldn't eliminate the threat of
heinous acts, but if they were still committed,
maybe the loss of lives would be a lot less.

Perhaps this tragedy will bring around a new
era in air travel, the way the Hindenberg disaster
ended the popularity of zeppelins and made way for
airplanes.

Am I the only person here who is completely terrified
of getting on a plane again? Reply off list if you
want to talk....


----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------
This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain
confidential, proprietary or legally
privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by
any mistransmission. If
you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all
copies of it from your
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are not the intended
recipient.








FROM: Brooklyn Linux Solutions
DATE: Thu 11:25
SUBJ: [wwwac] Cantor Fitzgerald employees?

I beleive I heard on the news that this company did very badly in the
collapse.

I'm very sorry...

___________________________ 
On 2001.09.13 11:05:05 -0400 grimmwerks@... wrote:

I noticed on one of the 'I'm ok' lists that a _few_ of Cantor Fitzgerald
had been listed on the ny.com/wtclist.html as ok, but they hadn't heard
from them...so I don't know what to think.

I'm also looking for one from the 104th floor - Jim Ladley - so if there's
ANYONE from those floors that have made it through, please let me know.

On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, pumpernickelpickle wrote:

 > Hi everyone,
 > 
 > I know that we are all looking for friends and family
 > members and I pray that your searches lead you to
 > those that you seek. 
 > 
 > I, too, am looking for someone. I was wondering if
 > anyone has heard any information about survivors from
 > Cantor Fitzgerald? We are searching for a dear friend
 > of ours, Joe Corbett, and no one has heard from him. I
 > know that the offices of Cantor Fitzgerald were badly
 > damaged, but we are keeping our hopes up. 
 > 
 > If anyone has any information whatsoever, or knows
 > employees from Cantor Fitzgerald that survived, please
 > let me know. His wife, Felicia, woudl appreciate any
 > information.
 > 
 > Any and all help is greatly appreciated. Everyone is
 > in my thoughts...
 > 
 > denine m. anderson
 > pnp
 > 
 > __________________________________________________
 > Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help?
 > Donate cash, emergency relief information
 > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/


-- 
Brooklyn Linux Solutions
http://www.mrbrklyn.com
http://www.brooklynonline.com

1-718-382-5752





FROM: Mikki Monkolchayut
DATE: Thu 11:24
SUBJ: [wwwac] earthlink access not working

Well, my earthlink 56k backup account has been working fine.
Internet was my only form of communication on Tuesday until 5pm then my
panix account went down and I found myself voiceless.

I went to my boyfriends to get a dail up account and earthlink has been
stable since yesterday.

Good luck

M

On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Thomas Walser wrote:

 > hi,
 >
 > i've been offline for about 24 hours now and have therefore had over 400
 > emails from this list which i did not really read. so, i may be wrong,
 > but i don't think that this has been discussed -- does anyone know what
 > is going on with earthlink?
 >
 > i understand that they are cooperating with the fbi and handing them
 > over all sorts of user information.  why would this disable their dsl
 > service, though?  i was online yesterday until sometime in the evening,
 > so i don't think my service interruption was a direct result of the
 > attack.  i called today to get tech support and asked if the
 > interruption had to do with an fbi investigation, and the guy told me he
 > couldn't comment.  also, for a few hours, i received 2 copies of most of
 > my emails -- were there 2 versions of my account somewhere for a while?
 >
 > i'd appreciate any insight.
 >
 > hope everyone is doing as well as possible.  this whole thing's really
 > fucking with my head.
 >
 > -tom






FROM: Duane Douglas
DATE: Thu 11:29
SUBJ: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel

At 11:12 AM 9/13/2001 -0400, Gilbert Midonnet wrote:
 >I think the most important thing is to
 >
 >1. put steel reinforced cockpit doors and walls
 >2. no matter what happens outside the pilots are never to relinquish control
 >of the aircraft.

this won't stop a cunning and ruthless terrorist.

terrorist: "i'll start executing people if you don't open the cockpit door!"
crew:  "ok. ok.  we'll open the door!"



if (duane.douglas) { technologies = asp && php && cgi_perl && cold fusion 
&& xml && xsl && sql server && mysql && javascript }





FROM: Scott Bowling
DATE: Thu 11:30
SUBJ: [wwwac] more on the asbestos risk

(from another list)

 >From: David A. Klatell <dak25@... >
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:52 PM
Subject: Health Precautions

 From Professor Ross, who is on leave this year:

There is a serious health risk as well -- asbestos. The NYT I got this
morning in Boston did not cover this at all, but plenty of walking
wounded are being shipped to NJ for decontamination (Clara Mas on the
west side of Newark has the only decon unit in North Jersey, I think)
and health care professionals know the risk. They are wearing protective
clothing, even at the hospital. Briefly:

The WTC was the LAST big building in the US to use blow-on asbestos
insulation to protect the steel beams from fire's heat. The asbestos
type specified for this purpose is chrysotile ("white" asbestos). This
type is generally believed to be no more dangerous than any other fiber
(the fiber in fiber glass, for instance). But crocidolite, another form
of asbestos ("blue" asbestos) contaminates chrysotile in most asbestos
deposits, and it has been known for 30 years that the asbestos used in
the WTC has a lot of it. This stuff is now blown all over lower
Manhattan. Crocidolite is a carcinogen, considered a POTENT carcinogen
by many. (Mt. Sinai in Manhattan has long had a good research team on
this issue.) There are plenty of documented cases of shipyard workers
getting mesothelioma (a cancer of the chest lining, unique to asbestos)
after only a few weeks' exposure to croc. Smoking raising the risk
drastically. Almost 100% of all asbestos workers in the 60s and 70s who
smoked  have died of mesothelioma.

Asbestos fibers are caught in simple medical face masks, if the masks
are worn properly (no beards!). I would not send a student who smokes
down into lower manhattan without such protection. After a visit, they
should shower and send clothing to the laundry (to avoid spreading dust
to others).

BTW, most of the gray ash seems to be made up mainly of clay (from paper)
and other construction materials, but there is asbestos there as well.

The Port Authority ignored advice on this issue when the towers were
built. Also, contrary to NYC building codes at the time, the stairwells
for emergency use did not open directly to the outside -- a serious
bottleneck partially overcome by above-average attention to tenant
training.

Steven S. Ross
Co-Director, Institute for Analytic Journalism
Boston University School of Communications
1-617-353-3296
ssr3@...

--


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Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism
2950 Broadway
New York, NY 10027
tel: (212) 854-3319
fax: (212) 854-3939
e-mail: dak25@... ---






FROM: Rita Crisafi
DATE: Thu 11:20
SUBJ: [wwwac] non nyc'ers, be careful!


is anyone else experiencing this? i know that they mean well, but some of
my relatives are calling me constantly telling me about "asbestos clouds"
over manhattan among other horrifying things..assuring me that i should
get out. 

the problem is it's not easy for me to just pick up and leave. i have a 3
month old baby here, i live below 14th street. what these well meaning
people don't understand is that their "concern" is just serving to make me
more upset. 

Please people who live outside of nyc, i can't help but feel a final
smugness, an i-told-you-you-shouldn't-live-there attitude. it's not
helping. 

be supportive.

rita






FROM: Peter Birdsall
DATE: Thu 11:31
SUBJ: [wwwac] volunteering

Please, yes. I am desperate to DO something, rather than just sitting here 
useless...

-Peter


 >Please let us know as soon as you hear anything about this. I can't just 
 >sit
 >and watch it on TV anymore.
 >
 >thanks,
 >
 >Matt
 >
 >carole guevin wrote:
 >
 >  > ABC just announced that sometimes this afternoon the Javitts Center will 
 >be
 >  > dedicated to registering volunteers from medical, technical and ordinary
 >  > people.  you will need to provide identification, skills you have and
 >  > receive proper clearance before being put on a calling as needed list.  
 >Will
 >  > forward more info on this later.
 >  >
 >  > carole


_________________________________________________________________
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FROM: Beth
DATE: Thu 11:42
SUBJ: [wwwac] sorry


it's stupid for me to be bitching about things like that on this list right
now, when there are so many more immediate things to deal with.

I guess it's human nature to deal with a relatively smaller problem when the
real crisis is so f***ing huge you can't face it, and even worse you can't
*do* anything to help (when you're in the middle of nowhere in massachusetts
and can't give blood).

so i apologize.  my hope, fears, and tears remain with y'all in NY & DC....

beth



____________________________

Beth Budwig, web primate
beth@...

http://wso.williams.edu/~ebudwig
____________________________







FROM: Joanna Wissinger
DATE: Thu 11:52
SUBJ: [wwwac] 2 penn plaza

my husband, who works just down 7th ave. im'd me to say that 2 penn 
plaza, the building that's over Penn Sta and right next to MSG, looks 
like it's being evacuated.
-- 




Joanna Wissinger
c 917 407 6825 im joannawnyc web http://joannaw.com
content strategy/information architecture/competitive intelligence
what is "ubiquitous platforms"? find out at http://www.joannaw.com/ubiq





FROM: Scott Bowling
DATE: Thu 11:56
SUBJ: [wwwac] Fw: Checking in

Forwarded by Scott Bowling <scott@... >
---------------- Original message follows ----------------
Subject: Checking in
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:06:26 -0400
 >From: Adam Fields <fields@... >

I can't get to the mail account I'm subscribed with
(fields@...

Please forward this message to the list, if it's still running.

My apartment is 8 blocks south of the WTC, and I was home when the
planes hit. I'm fine, I was able to get out, but my building and most
of my neighborhood is inaccessible for the foreseeable future.

My heart goes out to those who have friends and assocciates who are
still unaccounted for, and especially to those who perished in the
blast.

Hold Fast...






FROM: the nightboy
DATE: Thu 12:14
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rebuild, rebuild!!

I would be seriously surprised if they built anything there besides a
monument to the people that died.  Who would want to work in an area where
this catastrophe had happened.


 Brian Douglas  (:ub)
============================================================================








FROM: Wendy Siegel
DATE: Thu 12:05
SUBJ: [wwwac] Fwd: Re: [wwwac] Cantor Fitzgerald employees?


 >Here is some information I received from another list - it was from 
 >yesterday.  I hope it might help you in some way.  Wendy
 >
 > >For information on employees who worked in the World Trade Center from
 > >floors 80 to 105, contact the Aon Corporation at 203-863-4391.
 > >
 > >Craig's List Resource, http://safe.millennium.berkeley.edu/, that
 > >informally lets you report that someone is safe OR that you want to find
 > >some one.  The information, compiled by Ka-Ping Yee of Berkeley, and it
 > >depends on the information that is given to newyork.craigslist.org.
 > >
 > >Mayor's Action Center: www.nyc.gov/html/mac/html/hotlines.html
 > >(the site is somewhat overwhelmed, so try other alternatives first)
 > >4-Tenants of the WTC and more contact numbers (from MSNBC):
 > >
 > >Employees of Blue Cross/Blue Shield offices at World Trade Center are asked
 > >to call 866-761-8265 to verify that they are OK.
 > >
 > >Deloitte & Touche Business Continuity Hotline 888-243-7666. This is for
 > >employees to phone in their whereabouts.
 > >
 > >Employees of Carr Futures at One World Trade are asked to call 312-762-1227
 > >to verify their whereabouts.
 > >
 > >For information on employees of Morgan Stanley located at 2 World Trade
 > >contact 888-883-4391.
 > >
 > >Message Boards on www.vault.com for:
 > >
 > >Morgan Stanley employees
 > >http://www.vault.com/community/mb/mb_main.jsp?forum_id=5766
 > >
 > >Credit Suisse First Boston employees
 > >http://www.vault.com/community/mb/mb_main.jsp?forum_id=5494
 > >
 > >Thatcher Profitt & Wood employees
 > >http://www.vault.com/community/mb/mb_main.jsp?forum_id=10945
 >
 > >New York City Hospitals:
 > >St. Vincent's Hospital: 212-604-7285
 > >Bellevue Hospital Center: 212-562-4141
 > >Coler Memorial Hospital: 212-848-6300
 > >Goldwater Memorial Hospital: 212-318-8000
 > >Gouverneur Hospital D&TC: 212-238-7000
 >
 >
 >At 11:05 AM 9/13/01, you wrote:
 >
 > >I noticed on one of the 'I'm ok' lists that a _few_ of Cantor Fitzgerald
 > >had been listed on the ny.com/wtclist.html as ok, but they hadn't heard
 > >from them...so I don't know what to think.
 > >
 > >I'm also looking for one from the 104th floor - Jim Ladley - so if there's
 > >ANYONE from those floors that have made it through, please let me know.
 > >
 > >On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, pumpernickelpickle wrote:
 > >
 > >  > Hi everyone,
 > >  >
 > >  > I know that we are all looking for friends and family
 > >  > members and I pray that your searches lead you to
 > >  > those that you seek.
 > >  >
 > >  > I, too, am looking for someone. I was wondering if
 > >  > anyone has heard any information about survivors from
 > >  > Cantor Fitzgerald? We are searching for a dear friend
 > >  > of ours, Joe Corbett, and no one has heard from him. I
 > >  > know that the offices of Cantor Fitzgerald were badly
 > >  > damaged, but we are keeping our hopes up.
 > >  >
 > >  > If anyone has any information whatsoever, or knows
 > >  > employees from Cantor Fitzgerald that survived, please
 > >  > let me know. His wife, Felicia, woudl appreciate any
 > >  > information.
 > >  >
 > >  > Any and all help is greatly appreciated. Everyone is
 > >  > in my thoughts...
 > >  >
 > >  > denine m. anderson
 > >  > pnp
 > >  >
 > >  > __________________________________________________
 > >  > Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help?
 > >  > Donate cash, emergency relief information
 > >  > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/







FROM: Laura
DATE: Thu 12:01
SUBJ: [wwwac] Any Battery Park residents been home?

My sister lives on Southend Ave. (one block from the towers) and has no idea
of the state of her apartment building. Has anyone been there?
____________________________
===  Laura 





FROM: Alexandru IONITA
DATE: Thu 19:00
SUBJ: [wwwac] blind nationalism

First of all I just want to say that I was deeply moved by everything that
happened and I and the people in my country are all supporting the American
people.
I know that this will probably upset a lot of people but I just want to say
that the hatred and the frustration that the American people feel is not
much different from the hatred and the frustrations of the people in
Belgrade or Bagdad.Of course it is a different situation but it really does
not make any different for a father who lost his son because of an American
missile. He will want revenge as well
This is why the whole situation is so difficult to deal with...Revenge for
America now might mean  a reason for revenge for Arab people later
I hope you people don't get this the wrong way.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Piri Miller" <pmiller@... >
To: "daniel vena" <daniel@... >
Cc: <wwwac@... >
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:19 AM
Subject: RE: [wwwac] blind nationalism


 >
 > "i've become increasingly concerned with the amount of blind nationalism
 > spewing from some people's mouths lately.  i've heard the phrase "sand
 > nigger" come from the mouths of people who would never call me a wop.  i
saw
 > the media point fingers at the arabs before any information at all was
 > gathered.  this is scaring the hell out of me."
 > ___________________________________________________________________
 >
 > Its a natural reaction.
 >
 > My immigrant liberal mother has been spouting the strangest things about
 > Arabs ever since Tuesday.
 >
 > I think I've found full-blooded Americans to be LESS racist and MORE
 > cautious about the threat to civil liberties than others.
 >
 > Being as we're indoctrinated from birth with this land of the free (and
 > recent generations) anti-racism rhetoric.
 >
 > I'm finding a lot of guilt in my confusion honestly. That I can stop and
 > think for a second that the terrorists might have a point. Guilt that I
 > don't know how to hate a whole group of people for letting this happen or
 > doing this on purpose. I'm jealous of the 1944 Americans who could
 > spontaneously hate the Japanese, a clear purpose of retribution. Maybe
this
 > is wrong, but our souls are as bloody as our streets are today. We owe it
to
 > the dead to tear into our enemies and crush them. Leave no doubt that this
 > attack was a massive mistake on their part. Teach the terrorists how to
 > fear.
 >
 > I don't know anyone who cares about American oppression anymore. In fact,
 > I'm hearing "they haven't even SEEN American oppression yet, but they sure
 > will now....".
 >
 > As the Arab nations harbor terrorist training grounds, terrorists, and no
 > small amount of hatred of Americans, is it really RACISM to fear them? Is
 > this really an irrational bigoted hatred of people based on skin color and
 > religion? Is this really blind nationalisim? They took out the World Trade
 > Center very quickly and easily, with our own planes and people. We have
not
 > become anything. We are reacting to the more horrifying attack on America,
 > ever.
 >
 > I wish I wasn't an atheist today, praying must be one hell of a comfort.
I'm
 > looking into enlisting. I hope that they can find some use for me.
 >
 > - piri m.
 >
 >
 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: daniel vena <mailto:daniel@... >
 > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 7:26 PM
 > To: wwwac@...
 > Subject: [wwwac] blind nationalism
 >
 >
 > i've become increasingly concerned with the amount of blind nationalism
 > spewing from some people's mouths lately.  i've heard the phrase "sand
 > nigger" come from the mouths of people who would never call me a wop.  i
saw
 > the media point fingers at the arabs before any information at all was
 > gathered.  this is scaring the hell out of me.
 >
 > what have we become?
 >
 > it shocks me that, simply because the media may have been right, they are
 > not going to be held responsible for what was blatant sensationalism
 > bordering on racism.  i'm surprised that no one remembers the media doing
 > this very same thing with oklahoma.  in all honesty, i feel that these
 > reactions are as un-american as anything i can think of.
 >
 > please, take a minute to let your friends and family know that there are
two
 > sides to every story.  we're being bombarded by pro-american propaganda
 > right now, and we must consider the source.  i do not suggest, by any
means,
 > that we downplay the tragedy, however we must not let ourselves become the
 > monsters i feel we are becoming.
 >
 > thank you.
 >
 > --
 > _d.vena \\ www.vena.net






FROM: David Choi
DATE: Thu 12:11
SUBJ: [wwwac] Keep them out of the cockpit (was: Rebuild then now (air marshals ))

the real feat is to not have human pilots at all and have all planes
autoguided REMOTELY.  surely, the confidence of the people in technology
nor the capability of the technology to handle all air traffic is not
there right now, but once we can develop and prove that a system like
that can work, it should definitely be the next step in security.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brooklyn Linux Solutions <mailto:ruben@... >
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:24 AM
To: Justin Greene
Cc: Wwwac List
Subject: Re: [wwwac] Keep them out of the cockpit (was: Rebuild then now
(air marshals ))


This is 100% correct.  These planes were taken over with the force of
your
average street mugging.

Ruben


< < On 2001.09.13 10:54:48 -0400 Justin Greene wrote: I find the security
discussion a little frustrating. There is little that can be done to
prevent someone who is determined to bring a cutting device onto an
airplane from doing so, and all the talk about stricter security so that
you cannot get a pocket knife on a plane is stupid. It will no solve the
problem. > >

Our security measures have been aimed mostly as stopping bombs and guns,
and our hijacking response mechanisms have run under the assumption that
the hijackers had demands that could be met.

The only way to stop someone from taking over a plane is to prevent
access
to the cockpit. If a plane is hijacked, fly them where they want, but
keep
them out of the cockpit. Let me say it again... keep them out of the
cockpit. All the other security seems secondary (Important, but
secondary).

Justin

-----Original Message----- From: Mark Frieser <mailto:mark@... >
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:08 AM To: wwwac@...
Subject: WWWAC: Re: [wwwac] Rebuild then now (air marshalls)

<SNIP >

Compared to our allies in Europe and Asia, our airport security is
positively third world. If any country in the EU or Japan or Singapore
saw
that there were people like these individuals coming through security,
you
can be sure that they'd have swooped down on them like swiftly, and
rightly
so.

People in Europe and the parts of Asia I've described have freedoms
(don't
start on Singapore -it's much freer than you may think) and security.
Moreover, they use better security equipment and are much better
trained.

<SNIP >


-- Brooklyn Linux Solutions http://www.mrbrklyn.com
http://www.brooklynonline.com

1-718-382-5752=20






FROM: Mark Frieser
DATE: Thu 12:12
SUBJ: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel

That's why every flight should have a sky marshall and the pilots should be
strapped as well.


On 13-09-2001 11:29, "Duane Douglas" <ddouglas@... > wrote:

 > At 11:12 AM 9/13/2001 -0400, Gilbert Midonnet wrote:
 > > I think the most important thing is to
 > > 
 > > 1. put steel reinforced cockpit doors and walls
 > > 2. no matter what happens outside the pilots are never to relinquish control
 > > of the aircraft.
 > 
 > this won't stop a cunning and ruthless terrorist.
 > 
 > terrorist: "i'll start executing people if you don't open the cockpit door!"
 > crew:  "ok. ok.  we'll open the door!"
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > if (duane.douglas) { technologies = asp && php && cgi_perl && cold fusion
 > && xml && xsl && sql server && mysql && javascript }






FROM: David Choi
DATE: Thu 12:12
SUBJ: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel

remote controlled planes... no pilots

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Toliver <mailto:christ@... >
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:29 AM
To: Gilbert Midonnet; wwwac@...
Subject: RE: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel


They have plans for Kevlar reinforced cabins but they scrapped the plans
saying it would be too hard to get into after a crash. Like that
matters.

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: Gilbert Midonnet <mailto:Gilbert.Midonnet@... >
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:13
To: wwwac@...
Subject: RE: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel


I think the most important thing is to

1. put steel reinforced cockpit doors and walls
2. no matter what happens outside the pilots are never to relinquish
control
of the aircraft.

I find it disgusting that it was policy for the airline pilots to do so.
I
hope people who before this squirmed at the thought and considered it
alarmist rhetoric would now recognize it as a rational approach.

With these two precautions in place damage, hence motive, is curtailed.


-- gilbert midonnet









-----Original Message-----
From: Amita Guha <mailto:bfift2girl@... >
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:56 AM
To: wwwac@...
Subject: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel


One of the things that has freaked me out since
the tragedy on Tuesday is the sudden realization
that in the wrong hands, a jet plane can become
a giant bomb. But I just thought of something...
would it be possible to create some sort of fuel
or other method of propulsion that wouldn't be
flammable? It wouldn't eliminate the threat of
heinous acts, but if they were still committed,
maybe the loss of lives would be a lot less.

Perhaps this tragedy will bring around a new
era in air travel, the way the Hindenberg disaster
ended the popularity of zeppelins and made way for
airplanes.

Am I the only person here who is completely terrified
of getting on a plane again? Reply off list if you
want to talk....


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FROM: 
DATE: Thu 11:12
SUBJ: [wwwac] volunteering tech help

It's kind of a 2 parter - 

1). Is there any place (ie redcross, etc) that is in need of tech/computer
help? I'd like to volunteer (and even thought about heading over to the
site but my lack of physical skill, and the slight worry of it being too
dangerous right now [I've a 9 month old I want to stick around for] keeps
me from there) - is there anyway I can help?

2). There's talk on the board email that the wwwac website should become
some kind of central point for these issues, organizing other help links,
phone numbers, etc - can anyone think of what else could be added?






FROM: Kathy Forer
DATE: Thu 11:40
SUBJ: [wwwac] ALT parking?

At 10:25 AM -0400 9/13/01, Scott Bowling wrote:
 >Please be careful as to the loose use of "you" in your complaint. Though
 >two other people made comments disparaging your question, I defended it.
 >So I ascribed no pettiness, and I merely answered the question. Please
 >don't shoot the messenger, ok?

Mea culpa. I quoted you, but responded to the others. It was in 
essence a careless typo. That's why I e-mailed you privately 
immediately after to say my message was jumbled and to thank you for 
such a civil, helpful response. But that message was even more 
muddled, sorry. That the web site to which you directed me hadn't 
work for me was not about you but the link. SB is always helpful.

It's such a horror all around, looking for glimpses of hope and 
sensible direction, keeping the ground solid, not being overwhelmed.

I'm finally free to go back to NJ today. We have room for one or two, 
are close to the ferry and watch a modicum of prime-time TV, more 
now;( and are close to the highland ferries if you need to commute.

If anyone wants a ride (eventually to the Jersey shore though I'll be 
going over the GWB), please let me know. I'll be here until about 1 
or 2 pm. I hate to leave my family and this troubled hometown but I 
need to go home. I'll be looking for ways to volunteer locally but 
will wish I could help here (after regrouping perhaps...). I love 
this city and its people.

Kathy





FROM: Silicon Alley Station
DATE: Thu 10:24
SUBJ: [wwwac] inappropriate spam

got the same spam. Was so pissed I just deleted it. Didn't think of more
extensive measures.

Dolly Nielsen


----- Original Message -----
From: "Deborah Barber" <wwwac@... >
To: "WWWAC list" <wwwac@... >
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:46 AM
Subject: [wwwac] inappropriate spam


 > I just received life insurance spam at my NYU address with the subject
line
 > "We can help." I myself am fine, but the timing couldn't be worse of
course.
 > Usually I just delete this crap, but this really burns me up. So what is
my
 > next step? It has an URL in the message, so the owner of the site can be
 > found through Whois. What next?
 >
 > Deborah
 > --
 > *******************
 > Deborah Barber
 > deborah@...
 > www.hexidecibel.org






FROM: Patricia Tagle
DATE: Thu 12:09
SUBJ: [wwwac] Tribute To America

TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES

This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing.

America: The Good Neighbor.

Widespread but only partial news coverage was given
recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from
Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television
Commentator. What follows is the full text of his
trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional
Record:

"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the
Americans as the most generous and possibly the
least appreciated people on all the earth. Germany,
Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy
were lifted out of the debris of war by the
Americans who poured in billions of dollars and
forgave other billions in debts.

None of these countries is today paying even the
interest on its remaining debts to the United
States. When France was in danger of collapsing in
1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and
their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the
streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.

When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the
United States that hurries in to help. This spring,
59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes.
Nobody helped. The Marshall Plan and the Truman
Policy pumped billions of dollars into discouraged
countries. Now newspapers in those countries are
writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans.

I'd like to see just one of those countries that is
gloating over the erosion of the United States
dollar build its own airplane. Does any other
country in the world have a plane to equal the
Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the
Douglas DC10?

If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the
International lines except Russia fly American
Planes? Why does no other land on earth even
consider putting a man or woman on the moon? You
talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios.
You talk about German technocracy, and you get
automobiles. You talk about American technocracy,
and you find men on the moon - not once, but several
times - and safely home again.

You talk about scandals, and the Americans put
theirs right in the store window for everybody to
look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued
and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most
of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are
getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to
spend here.

When the railways of France, Germany and India were
breaking down through age, it was the Americans who
rebuilt them When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the
New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an
old caboose. Both are still broke.

I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced
to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name
me even one time when someone else raced to the
Americans in trouble? I don't think there was
outside help even during the San Francisco
earthquake.


Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one
Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get
kicked around. They will come out of this thing
with their flag high. And when they do, they are
entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are
gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada
is not one of those."

Stand proud, America! Wear it proudly!!
This is one of the best editorials that I have ever
read regarding the United States. It is nice that
one man realizes it. I only wish that the rest of
the world would realize it. We are always blamed for
everything, and never even get a thank you for the
things we do.

I would hope that each of you would send this to as
many people as you can and emphasize that they
should send it to as many of their friends until
this letter is sent to every person on the web. I am
just a single American that has read this, TRIBUTE TO
THE UNITED STATES





FROM: Gilbert Midonnet
DATE: Thu 12:14
SUBJ: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel

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I don't know if an air marshall is necessary on every flight, but I agree
with you, the pilots should be armed and trained. Thankfully a large
percentage are ex-airforce.

-- gilbert midonnet


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Frieser <mailto:mark@... >
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:12 PM
To: Duane Douglas; Gilbert Midonnet
Cc: wwwac@...
Subject: Re: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel


That's why every flight should have a sky marshall and the pilots should be
strapped as well.


On 13-09-2001 11:29, "Duane Douglas" <ddouglas@... > wrote:

 > At 11:12 AM 9/13/2001 -0400, Gilbert Midonnet wrote:
 > > I think the most important thing is to
 > > 
 > > 1. put steel reinforced cockpit doors and walls
 > > 2. no matter what happens outside the pilots are never to relinquish
control
 > > of the aircraft.
 > 
 > this won't stop a cunning and ruthless terrorist.
 > 
 > terrorist: "i'll start executing people if you don't open the cockpit
door!"
> crew:  "ok. ok.  we'll open the door!"
> 
> 
> 
> if (duane.douglas) { technologies = asp && php && cgi_perl && cold fusion
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FROM: sam
DATE: Thu 12:16
SUBJ: [wwwac] STAND BEHIND OUR COUNTRY AND DRESS IN OUR COLORS TOMORROW.


STAND BEHIND OUR COUNTRY AND DRESS IN OUR COLORS TOMORROW.
>
>
>  In memory of all those who perished this morning; the passengers and the
> pilots on the United Air and AA flights, the workers in the World Trade
> Center and the Pentagon, and all the innocent bystanders. Our prayers go
> out to the friends and families of the deceased. Send this to at least 10
> people to show your support. DONT BREAK IT!!!!!!  God's speed to all those
> who have lost their lives...GOD BLESS AMERICA and the freedom it
> represents
>
> tomorrow is US pride day, everyone wear US colors (jeans are blue,
> everyone owns a white t-shirt, etc).  try to be wearing as much red white
> and blue as you can.  send this message to as many other people you know.
> Lets get the whole country into it.  At least send it to 10 other people

--------------------------------------------
Sam Shin
sshin@...
(w)212-353-0022 x27
(m)646-286-4810

"Broken promises don't upset me.  I just think, why did they believe me?"
                                            - Jack Handey






FROM: Amita Guha
DATE: Thu 12:16
SUBJ: [wwwac] Spam alert

I got this from another list. Some people have no
shame...



http://www.msnbc.com/news/628230_asp.htm
Scam artists capitalize on tragedy
 Spam urging Red Cross donations sends users to trick site

By Bob Sullivan
MSNBC

Sept. 13 - Consumer protection advocates are warning Internet users that
scam artists are trying to take advantage of Tuesday's terrorist attacks.
Spam solicitations have been sent out urging Netizens to donate money to the
Red Cross or other relief organizations. But the e-mails direct potential
donors to private Web sites apparently designed to steal credit card
numbers.

        ONE SUCH E-MAIL discovered by the non-profit consumer group "SpamCom
Foundation" arrives from "expressrelieffund2001@... with the subject
line "Help for the Red Cross and the victims of our Nations tragedy." But
instead of linking to a Red Cross site, the e-mail sends visitors to a
privately-held Web site.
       While the site mentioned in the "expressrelieffund2001" is no longer
operational, an expert warns that there are already several variations of
the scam.
       "It's shocking to anyone. But this kind of thing is not new in the
spam world," said Tom Geller, executive director of the SpamCom Foundation.
" 'WTC spams' appeared within an hour of the World Trade Center disaster."
       Another scam mail urges consumers to buy phone cards with images of
the New York City, promising to donate "donate 10% of the proceeds of the
sale of this commemorative card" to victims.
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FROM: Gary Hughes
DATE: Thu 12:07
SUBJ: [wwwac] CD Drive For Old Mac (OS9 on Clone)

At 05:39 PM 9/4/2001 +0000, Ted Buson wrote:
>Following up on the recent thread re: installing OS 9 on an old Mac Clone, I've started tinkering with the PowerTower 166, and discovered that the CD-Rom drive is non-functional. I've tried everything i can think of to get the computer to read the CD-Rom, but at this point I think it just needs to be replaced. It makes a weird clicking noise and seems to be trying to read the CD, but never manages to, and eventually gives up and stops blinking. My question is, can anyone recommend a good source for a SCSI CD-ROM drive for Mac? Nothing fancy, I don't need CD-R or RW, just Read Only, so I can install from it. I'd even consider a refurbished drive. Actually, if anyone here has an old Mac external CD-Rom drive that works that they want to get rid of for $40 bucks or something, I'd be interested.

I've picked up NEC MultiSpin (6x external SCSI) drives at local 
PC shows pretty cheap. Cheaper than buying an empty SCSI box in fact.

gary

Gary Hughes (ghughes@...
Stargate Video Systems







FROM: Amal ElSheemy
DATE: Thu 09:19
SUBJ: [wwwac] Marsh employees?

We are looking for someone who worked in marsh.. if anyone knows anything
about that company pls email me as well.. her name is Marlyn Garcia

thanks





_______________________________________________________
http://inbox.excite.com







FROM: Steve Sloan
DATE: Thu 12:24
SUBJ: [wwwac] Icons to show solidarity

These are wonderful (coming from a non designer)

You should hook up with Cafepress and sell mugs and t-shirts and get them to
donate the money to whatever legitimate victim's fund will be set up. (I
know, easy for me to say)



Longbow(R)                            http://longbow.com
Java | SQL  | ASP | COM | C/C++ | VB | Delphi |  Perl
/********************************************************/
             Engineering The Information Economy (TM)


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Henry Smith <mailto:phs@...>
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:41 AM
> To: wwwac@...
> Subject: [wwwac] Icons to show solidarity
>
>
>
> To express solidarity with the people targeted by these
> attacks, please feel free to use these icons I designed as
> you like on Web pages, in email, etc.
>
>   http://www.panix.com/~phs/support.html
>
>
>
> Paul
> --
>
> ____________________________________________________
> phs@...              http://www.panix.com/~phs






FROM: Raphi Salem
DATE: Thu 12:33
SUBJ: [wwwac] earthlink access not working

my earthlink/mindspring account and dial up have been stable all week
r

Raphi Salem
SalemGlobal Internet Web Design and Programming
www.salemglobal.com
315 West 36th Street #508
NY, NY 10018
T) 212-736-9636
F) 212-736-2896
raphis@...
----- Original Message -----
From: Mikki Monkolchayut <mikki@...>
To: Thomas Walser <tjwal@...>
Cc: <wwwac@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [wwwac] earthlink access not working


> Well, my earthlink 56k backup account has been working fine.
> Internet was my only form of communication on Tuesday until 5pm then my
> panix account went down and I found myself voiceless.
>
> I went to my boyfriends to get a dail up account and earthlink has been
> stable since yesterday.
>
> Good luck
>
> M
>
> On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Thomas Walser wrote:
>
> > hi,
> >
> > i've been offline for about 24 hours now and have therefore had over 400
> > emails from this list which i did not really read. so, i may be wrong,
> > but i don't think that this has been discussed -- does anyone know what
> > is going on with earthlink?
> >
> > i understand that they are cooperating with the fbi and handing them
> > over all sorts of user information.  why would this disable their dsl
> > service, though?  i was online yesterday until sometime in the evening,
> > so i don't think my service interruption was a direct result of the
> > attack.  i called today to get tech support and asked if the
> > interruption had to do with an fbi investigation, and the guy told me he
> > couldn't comment.  also, for a few hours, i received 2 copies of most of
> > my emails -- were there 2 versions of my account somewhere for a while?
> >
> > i'd appreciate any insight.
> >
> > hope everyone is doing as well as possible.  this whole thing's really
> > fucking with my head.
> >
> > -tom






FROM: ray anzaldua
DATE: Thu 09:27
SUBJ: [wwwac] Nostradamus

I understand perfectly what your saying.  I have often
asked myself at football games which side God is going
to choose since both teams are praying to him.  Yes we
have holier than though types and yes we have hatred
spouters and yes we have God is on our side people
also.  One quote does not mean our entire government
has lost its ideals.  Heck, our money still has In God
We Trust.

Ideals are fine and virtuous, but ideals do not help
you when the bullets fly and explosions rock you to
your core.  At this exact time we have many killed and
hopefully some still alive and they don't really care
whether Bush quoted a Bible or quoted Shakespeare.  

Frankly, trying to moralize or politicize this event
is petty.  I will paraphrase a quote for you: "It is
not the critic that counts, it is the man in the arena
who is bloodied and tired that counts."  Instead of
pulling in opposite directions, let pull together and
get the job done.

ra

.
--- Andrew Gideon <ag797@...> wrote:
> In article
>
<20010913015523.40326.qmail@...>,
> 	ray_anz@... (ray anzaldua) writes:
> > What McMahon is saying is that some people are
> being
> > petty.  Let it go.  We have bigger problems right
> now.
> 
> I'm afraid that I don't agree that the original post
> was petty.  It's easy to be who we are at peace, and
> in
> calm.
> 
> But can we remain who we are - or who we aspire to
> be - in
> the face of great adversity?  Or shall we fall into
> one of
> the many pits so ready to take our collective soul,
> such as
> the 'mindless hatred' pit, the 'God is on my side'
> pit, or
> the 'holier than thou' pit?
> 
> That's the true test of our ideals.
> 
> These pits should look familiar.  Not only are they
> on
> our landscape, waiting to catch us unawares, but
> they're
> also the pits from which these obscene acts come.  
> 
> To misquote: To be great, we must first be good.
> 
> 	- Andrew


__________________________________________________
Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help?
Donate cash, emergency relief information
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/





FROM: Web master
DATE: Thu 09:30
SUBJ: [wwwac] Just evacuated GCS

Grand Central Station and surrounding buildings have
been evacuated.

__________________________________________________
Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help?
Donate cash, emergency relief information
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/





FROM: Duane Douglas
DATE: Thu 12:29
SUBJ: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel

At 12:12 PM 9/13/2001 -0400, Mark Frieser wrote:
>That's why every flight should have a sky marshall and the pilots should be
>strapped as well.

i think that anything short of a swat team would be futile.

if (duane.douglas) { technologies = asp && php && cgi_perl && cold fusion 
&& xml && xsl && sql server && mysql && javascript }





FROM: Alon Koppel
DATE: Thu 12:32
SUBJ: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel

that=B9s not true. if you are the pilot and you have instructions not to open
the door while flying - you will not.

would you risk 700 people including your own or give someone you don=B9t
know/trust control over a flying fuel bomb?

alon.

on 9/13/01 11:29 AM, Duane Douglas at ddouglas@... wrote:

> At 11:12 AM 9/13/2001 -0400, Gilbert Midonnet wrote:
>> I think the most important thing is to
>>=20
>> 1. put steel reinforced cockpit doors and walls
>> 2. no matter what happens outside the pilots are never to relinquish con=
trol
>> of the aircraft.
>=20
> this won't stop a cunning and ruthless terrorist.
>=20
> terrorist: "i'll start executing people if you don't open the cockpit doo=
r!"
> crew:  "ok. ok.  we'll open the door!"
>=20
>=20
>=20
> if (duane.douglas) { technologies =3D asp && php && cgi_perl && cold fusion
> && xml && xsl && sql server && mysql && javascript }






FROM: Amita Guha
DATE: Thu 12:32
SUBJ: [wwwac] has anyone heard from Chris?

I remember Chris Kaminski writing that he
was off to visit some relatives before heading
off to Germany. I'm sure he's ok but has anyone
heard from him?






FROM: Eric Berg
DATE: Thu 12:25
SUBJ: [wwwac] volunteering

I just spoke to a woman at the NY State Emergency Mgmt. Center.  I registered
with them to help, and she said that she heard that volunteers should go over
at the Javitz Center.  I'm headed over there in a little while.

-Eric.


cb: [Thursday 13-September]:

> Same here. Please let us know. I cant sit here and do nothing.
> 
> thanks,
> dawn
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matt" <mspiegler@...>
> To: "wwwac" <wwwac@...>
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [wwwac] volunteering
> 
> 
> > Please let us know as soon as you hear anything about this. I can't just
> sit
> > and watch it on TV anymore.
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > Matt
> >
> > carole guevin wrote:
> >
> > > ABC just announced that sometimes this afternoon the Javitts Center will
> be
> > > dedicated to registering volunteers from medical, technical and ordinary
> > > people.  you will need to provide identification, skills you have and
> > > receive proper clearance before being put on a calling as needed list.
> Will
> > > forward more info on this later.
> > >
> > > carole

-- 
Eric D. Berg <eberg@...>
http://nylug.org/~eberg
Tel.  212-974-1041
Cell. 646-418-3608
AIM:  RickyBerg
ICQ:  eberg/83988870






FROM: Gilbert Midonnet
DATE: Thu 12:35
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rebuild, rebuild!!

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I would have zero problem. There are some people that would never live on
land that used to be a cemetery, and others who would have no problem. The
same applies here. Add to that mix a little nationalism and bravado and you
would have quite a few people willing to work there. Finally, if the job is
there ... how many here would truly refuse a it because it was built on the
same ground as the WTC?

-- gilbert midonnet




-----Original Message-----
From: the nightboy <mailto:brian@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:14 PM
To: Jen_Runne@... wwwac@...
Subject: Re: [wwwac] Rebuild, rebuild!!


I would be seriously surprised if they built anything there besides a
monument to the people that died.  Who would want to work in an area where
this catastrophe had happened.


 Brian Douglas  (:ub)
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FROM: Amita Guha
DATE: Thu 12:41
SUBJ: [wwwac] more on the asbestos risk

Is the asbestos airborne now?






FROM: Silicon Alley Station
DATE: Thu 12:40
SUBJ: [wwwac] Something's going on at Grand Central terminal

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It's being evacuated. And a number of nearby buildings, too. Heard it on =
WCBS radio. Metro North trains halted in place. As I type.

Dolly Nielsen--Executive Producer
Silicon Alley Station Internet Radio-The Voice of Silicon =
Alley--http://siliconalley.net
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FROM: Daniel G. Magni
DATE: Thu 12:42
SUBJ: [wwwac] FW: A Date Which Will Live In Ignominy

To the list - from a friend in NJ.
Be well all.

Daniel G. Magni
President/CEO
BeaconVision Incorporated
337 Amherst Street, Suite 5
Nashua, New Hampshire 03063-1723
Office   (603) 595.2200
FAX      (603) 595.2348  Virtual FAX (240) 384.8646
Cellular (603) 620.1800
mailto:dan.magni@...
http://www.beaconvision.com/
Live free or die!



Subject:	FW: A Date Which Will Live In Ignominy

See Churchill's quote regarding the now analogous Pearl Harbor attack.
Regards,



Subject:	A Date Which Will Live In Ignominy


September 11, 2001, a date which will live in ignominy.  Concerning the time
after December 7, Winston Churchill wrote:
Silly people-and there were many, not only in enemy countries-might discount
the force of the United States.  Some said they were soft, others that they
would never be united. They would fool around at a distance.  They would
never come to grips.  They would never stand blood-letting.  Their democracy
and system of recurrent elections would paralyze their war effort.  They
would be just a vague blur on the horizon to friend or foe.
Now we should see the weakness of this numerous but remote, wealthy, and
talkative people.  But I had studied the American Civil War, fought to the
last desperate inch.  American blood flowed in my veins.  I thought of a
remark which Edward Grey had made to me more than thirty years before- that
the United States is like "a gigantic boiler.  Once the fire is lighted
under it there is no limit to the power it can generate."  Being saturated
and satiated with emotion and sensation, I went to bed and slept the sleep
of the saved and thankful.






FROM: James E. Wilson Jr.
DATE: Thu 12:31
SUBJ: [wwwac] Global Consideration Article

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TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES
This, from a Canadian newspaper, no less, is worth  sharing.

America: The Good Neighbor.

Widespread but only partial news coverage was given
recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from
Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television
commentator. What follows is the full text of his
trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional
Record:

     "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the
     Americans as the most generous and possibly the least
     appreciated people on all the earth.

    Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and
     Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the
    Americans who poured in billions of dollars and
    forgave other billions in debts. None of these
    countries is today paying even the interest on its
    remaining debts to the United States.

     When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it
     was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward
     was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of
     Paris. I was there. I saw it.

     When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United
     States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59
     American communities were flattened by tornadoes.
     Nobody helped.

     The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped
     billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now
     newspapers in those countries are writing about the
     decadent, warmongering Americans.

     I'd like to see just one of those countries that is
     gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar
     build its own airplane. Does any other country in the
     world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the
     Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why
     don't they fly them? Why do all the International
     lines except Russia fly American Planes?

     Why does no other land on earth even consider putting
     a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese
     technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German
     technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about
     American technocracy, and you find men on the moon -
     not once, but several times and safely home again.

     You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs
     right in the store window for everybody to look at.
     Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded.
     They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless
     they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American
     dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.

     When the railways of France, Germany and India were
     breaking down through age, it was the Americans who
     rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the
     New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an
     old caboose. Both are still broke.

     I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to
     the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me
     even one time when someone else raced to the    Americans
     in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even
     during the San Francisco earthquake.

     Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one
    Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get
    kicked around. They will come out of this thing with
     their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled
    to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating
    over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one
     of those."

     Stand proud, America!
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

James E. Wilson Jr.
--------------------------------
Co-Founder

lucidCircus, inc.
125 South 9th Street
suite 1004
Philadelphia, PA 19106

p215.717.0333
f215.717.0335

AIM:    lucidJames

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FROM: Jesse Erlbaum
DATE: Thu 12:56
SUBJ: [wwwac] THIS'LL SHOW 'EM!!

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<http://www.vm.com/rebuilding_the_wtc.jpg> 
 
 
 

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FROM: Tom Simpson
DATE: Thu 12:51
SUBJ: [wwwac] inappropriate spam

you can paste the message source into spamcop.net and file a report.  That
will track down the user who sent it.

Tom


----- Original Message -----
From: "Silicon Alley Station" <siliconalley@...>
To: "Deborah Barber" <wwwac@...>; "WWWAC list"
<wwwac@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: [wwwac] inappropriate spam


> got the same spam. Was so pissed I just deleted it. Didn't think of more
> extensive measures.
>
> Dolly Nielsen
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Deborah Barber" <wwwac@...>
> To: "WWWAC list" <wwwac@...>
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:46 AM
> Subject: [wwwac] inappropriate spam
>
>
> > I just received life insurance spam at my NYU address with the subject
> line
> > "We can help." I myself am fine, but the timing couldn't be worse of
> course.
> > Usually I just delete this crap, but this really burns me up. So what is
> my
> > next step? It has an URL in the message, so the owner of the site can be
> > found through Whois. What next?
> >
> > Deborah
> > --
> > *******************
> > Deborah Barber
> > deborah@...
> > www.hexidecibel.org






FROM: Thomas Walser
DATE: Thu 12:52
SUBJ: [wwwac] volunteering tech help

this sounds like it might be a project of the type that you mentioned last week

grimmwerks@... wrote:

> It's kind of a 2 parter -
>
> 1). Is there any place (ie redcross, etc) that is in need of tech/computer
> help? I'd like to volunteer (and even thought about heading over to the
> site but my lack of physical skill, and the slight worry of it being too
> dangerous right now [I've a 9 month old I want to stick around for] keeps
> me from there) - is there anyway I can help?
>
> 2). There's talk on the board email that the wwwac website should become
> some kind of central point for these issues, organizing other help links,
> phone numbers, etc - can anyone think of what else could be added?






FROM: Oliver Demasis
DATE: Thu 12:53
SUBJ: [wwwac] volunteering tech help

I recieved the following from one of my computer security lists ...

    - Oliver

Tony Baratta, our ISSA - NY Metro Chapter President, received this appeal
yesterday. If you or your organization can be of any assistance to our
brothers and sisters in IT that are in great need, please contact Melissa
Solomon at Computerworld at the phone number or e-mail address at the end of
the letter. Thank you.

TO: Tony Baratta, ISC2
I've asked the IT Community for help in the past, and was never let down!
I NEED YOUR HELP NOW, MORE THAN EVER.
We're seeking Information Technologies (IT) specific help, to assist the
businesses that had offices in the World Trade Center, and other downtown
buildings.
Clearly, in the first few days everyone's been concerned about the people
inside -- offering medical assistance, blood, and money for the victims --
and the humanitarian efforts have been extraordinary. In fact, the Health
Care Association of New York says there are more medical volunteers on
standby than there are victims needing care, so the response has been
enormous.
But as the rubble clears -- literally -- the businesses that are still
somewhat intact (or have hope for rebuilding themselves) will be looking for
help with their IT infrastructure. So I'm wondering if IT departments, IT
Suppliers, staff or interns from colleges or universities, and others who
can help, have any plans in place to pitch in.  If there's anyone who's
planning efforts along these lines or would like to help coordinate a
large-scale IT volunteer effort, please contact Melissa
Solomon at Computerworld immediately.
Among other things, we're looking for equipment donations, IT volunteers,
temporary office space donations, etc. For instance, one company Melissa
spoke with earlier is offering e-mail service to businesses inside the
building.
Computerworld, an AIT Member, has always helped us to make our IT
Conferences for the United Nations as successful as possible, and will again
be with us at the upcoming Global E-commerce 2001 Conference at the UN.
Let's ALL pitch in together, to make the rebuilding of downtown NYC as
successful as possible.
Melissa is working on a story that's due tomorrow (September 13, 2001), but
can add information as late as Friday morning.
Please reach Melissa at (508) 620-7755, or at
Melissa_Solomon@...
On behalf of Melissa, and Computerworld, I thank all of our AIT Members and
others who can help.
Mike Lackey
AIT
631-269-6713
mike_lackey@...
www.aitglobal.com
PS Please -- Time is of essence, as we'd like to quickly organize this
effort in as efficient a manner as possible.

----- Original Message -----
From: <grimmwerks@...>
To: <wwwac@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:12 PM
Subject: [wwwac] volunteering tech help


> It's kind of a 2 parter -
>
> 1). Is there any place (ie redcross, etc) that is in need of tech/computer
> help? I'd like to volunteer (and even thought about heading over to the
> site but my lack of physical skill, and the slight worry of it being too
> dangerous right now [I've a 9 month old I want to stick around for] keeps
> me from there) - is there anyway I can help?
>
> 2). There's talk on the board email that the wwwac website should become
> some kind of central point for these issues, organizing other help links,
> phone numbers, etc - can anyone think of what else could be added?






FROM: Matt
DATE: Thu 12:54
SUBJ: [wwwac] volunteering

Did she give you any specifics about when to go/what to bring?

Matt

Eric Berg wrote:

> I just spoke to a woman at the NY State Emergency Mgmt. Center.  I registered
> with them to help, and she said that she heard that volunteers should go over
> at the Javitz Center.  I'm headed over there in a little while.
>
> -Eric.
>
> cb: [Thursday 13-September]:
>
> > Same here. Please let us know. I cant sit here and do nothing.
> >
> > thanks,
> > dawn
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Matt" <mspiegler@...>
> > To: "wwwac" <wwwac@...>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:13 AM
> > Subject: Re: [wwwac] volunteering
> >
> >
> > > Please let us know as soon as you hear anything about this. I can't just
> > sit
> > > and watch it on TV anymore.
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > > carole guevin wrote:
> > >
> > > > ABC just announced that sometimes this afternoon the Javitts Center will
> > be
> > > > dedicated to registering volunteers from medical, technical and ordinary
> > > > people.  you will need to provide identification, skills you have and
> > > > receive proper clearance before being put on a calling as needed list.
> > Will
> > > > forward more info on this later.
> > > >
> > > > carole
> >
>
> --
> Eric D. Berg <eberg@...>
> http://nylug.org/~eberg
> Tel.  212-974-1041
> Cell. 646-418-3608
> AIM:  RickyBerg
> ICQ:  eberg/83988870






FROM: Andrew Gideon
DATE: Thu 17:03
SUBJ: [wwwac] Please...

In article <F137ImPiZxOASWTgZu60000b93b@...>,
	xanthusleo@... ("Jonathan Kopp") writes:

> Don't kill and don't let hate consume you. That's the only real hope we 
> have.

Agreed.

I just spent some time with a fellow that's a bigot under the
best of times.  Now, he's intolerable.  And he's known me long
enough to take great care of what he says around me; what he's
saying to others would have to be sanitized to reach the height
of merely disgusting.

Another person, who was an airborne witness to the second crash, 
has put up a "kill an arab a day" site.  Ah, thankfully he's
taken that down.  Perhaps sanity is returning.  I hope so.

But I heard on the radio this morning some congresscritter
saying that we should just bomb "them all", and "not worry
about collateral damage."

These people scare me.  The terrorists can maim and kill people.
But these people threaten what I consider to be our way of
life.

	- Andrew





FROM: Phil-Nicola
DATE: Thu 13:03
SUBJ: [wwwac] 5 firefighers

5 firefighters were found alive in an SUV covered in rubble! 2 stepped out
of the SUV on their own. Amazing Thank God. Lets hope for more


-- 
From the Desk of Phil Puleo and Nicola Ferguson






FROM: Thomas Walser
DATE: Thu 13:06
SUBJ: [wwwac] got this from another list [Fwd: [New York City CoF] This came from a 
 friend in Washington, DC]

i also liked the idea

> Hello Everyone,
>
> I usually don't forward messages like this, but it seems like a wonderful
> idea...  Here it is:
>
> Friday Night at 7:00 p.m. step out your door, stop your car, or step out of
> your establishment and light a candle.   We will show the world that
> Americans are strong and united together against terrorism.  Please pass
> this to everyone on your e-mail list.  We need to reach everyone across the
> United States quickly.
>
> The message:  WE STAND UNITED - WE WILL NOT TOLERATE TERRORISM!
>
> Thank you.
>
> We need press to cover this - we need the world to see.
>
> Bob Separ
>      :  Marketing Manager
>      :  CharityWave.com
>      :  rsepar@...
>      :  212-261-3186






FROM: Justin Greene
DATE: Thu 13:08
SUBJ: [wwwac] Keep them out of the cockpit (was: Rebuild then now (
	air marshals ))

Automation is a double edged sword.  What happens when the wrong people
figure out how to exploit the Remote Controlled airplane?  This is possible
a worse problem because the control has just been centralized.

Justin


-----Original Message-----
From: David Choi <mailto:dave@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:12 PM
To: Brooklyn Linux Solutions; Justin Greene
Cc: Wwwac List
Subject: WWWAC: RE: [wwwac] Keep them out of the cockpit (was: Rebuild
then now (air marshals ))

the real feat is to not have human pilots at all and have all planes
autoguided REMOTELY.  surely, the confidence of the people in technology
nor the capability of the technology to handle all air traffic is not
there right now, but once we can develop and prove that a system like
that can work, it should definitely be the next step in security.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brooklyn Linux Solutions <mailto:ruben@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:24 AM
To: Justin Greene
Cc: Wwwac List
Subject: Re: [wwwac] Keep them out of the cockpit (was: Rebuild then now
(air marshals ))


This is 100% correct.  These planes were taken over with the force of
your
average street mugging.

Ruben


<< On 2001.09.13 10:54:48 -0400 Justin Greene wrote: I find the security
discussion a little frustrating. There is little that can be done to
prevent someone who is determined to bring a cutting device onto an
airplane from doing so, and all the talk about stricter security so that
you cannot get a pocket knife on a plane is stupid. It will no solve the
problem.>>

Our security measures have been aimed mostly as stopping bombs and guns,
and our hijacking response mechanisms have run under the assumption that
the hijackers had demands that could be met.

The only way to stop someone from taking over a plane is to prevent
access
to the cockpit. If a plane is hijacked, fly them where they want, but
keep
them out of the cockpit. Let me say it again... keep them out of the
cockpit. All the other security seems secondary (Important, but
secondary).

Justin

-----Original Message----- From: Mark Frieser <mailto:mark@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:08 AM To: wwwac@...
Subject: WWWAC: Re: [wwwac] Rebuild then now (air marshalls)

<SNIP>

Compared to our allies in Europe and Asia, our airport security is
positively third world. If any country in the EU or Japan or Singapore
saw
that there were people like these individuals coming through security,
you
can be sure that they'd have swooped down on them like swiftly, and
rightly
so.

People in Europe and the parts of Asia I've described have freedoms
(don't
start on Singapore -it's much freer than you may think) and security.
Moreover, they use better security equipment and are much better
trained.

<SNIP>

-- Brooklyn Linux Solutions http://www.mrbrklyn.com
http://www.brooklynonline.com

1-718-382-5752 





FROM: Paul Henry Smith
DATE: Thu 13:09
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rebuild, rebuild!!

At 12:14 PM -0400 9/13/01, the nightboy wrote:
>I would be seriously surprised if they built anything there besides a
>monument to the people that died.  Who would want to work in an area where
>this catastrophe had happened.

I agree.

If we did not build on Fort Washington because 1,200 soldiers died there, we surely ought not to build where tens of thousands were killed. 

Earlier I posted my idea for an IMMEDIATE, inexpensive and powerful memorial "beacon."  Here are the illustrations:

   http://www.panix.com/~phs/beacon/

Paul
-- 

____________________________________________________
phs@...              http://www.panix.com/~phs





FROM: Kevin Lee
DATE: Thu 13:04
SUBJ: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel


So then the terrorists have to be hackers who hack into the remote guidance 
systems.

You'd never get 95% of the public on a plane with no pilot.

At 12:12 PM 9/13/2001, David Choi wrote:
>remote controlled planes... no pilots
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chris Toliver <mailto:christ@...>
>Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:29 AM
>To: Gilbert Midonnet; wwwac@...
>Subject: RE: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel
>
>
>They have plans for Kevlar reinforced cabins but they scrapped the plans
>saying it would be too hard to get into after a crash. Like that
>matters.
>
>Chris
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gilbert Midonnet <mailto:Gilbert.Midonnet@...>
>Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:13
>To: wwwac@...
>Subject: RE: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel
>
>
>I think the most important thing is to
>
>1. put steel reinforced cockpit doors and walls
>2. no matter what happens outside the pilots are never to relinquish
>control
>of the aircraft.
>
>I find it disgusting that it was policy for the airline pilots to do so.
>I
>hope people who before this squirmed at the thought and considered it
>alarmist rhetoric would now recognize it as a rational approach.
>
>With these two precautions in place damage, hence motive, is curtailed.
>
>
>-- gilbert midonnet
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Amita Guha <mailto:bfift2girl@...>
>Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:56 AM
>To: wwwac@...
>Subject: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel
>
>
>One of the things that has freaked me out since
>the tragedy on Tuesday is the sudden realization
>that in the wrong hands, a jet plane can become
>a giant bomb. But I just thought of something...
>would it be possible to create some sort of fuel
>or other method of propulsion that wouldn't be
>flammable? It wouldn't eliminate the threat of
>heinous acts, but if they were still committed,
>maybe the loss of lives would be a lot less.
>
>Perhaps this tragedy will bring around a new
>era in air travel, the way the Hindenberg disaster
>ended the popularity of zeppelins and made way for
>airplanes.
>
>Am I the only person here who is completely terrified
>of getting on a plane again? Reply off list if you
>want to talk....
>
>
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FROM: Kathy Forer
DATE: Thu 13:17
SUBJ: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel

At 11:29 AM -0400 9/13/01, Duane Douglas wrote:
>At 11:12 AM 9/13/2001 -0400, Gilbert Midonnet wrote:
>>I think the most important thing is to
>>
>>1. put steel reinforced cockpit doors and walls
>>2. no matter what happens outside the pilots are never to relinquish control
>>of the aircraft.
>
>this won't stop a cunning and ruthless terrorist.
>
>terrorist: "i'll start executing people if you don't open the cockpit door!"
>crew:  "ok. ok.  we'll open the door!"

The import of a lockdown is that it would be in effect "regardless of 
the consequences."





FROM: Maya Sunpongco
DATE: Thu 17:21
SUBJ: [wwwac] Getting ready for the Printshop

the company i work for would like to get into more print shop type projects 
to develop business cards, letterheads, posters, envelopes, catalogs, 
brochures, etc...

we use PCs in the office.

in your opinion, what 3 software recommendations would you give for print 
publishing? i'm trying to determine what software the company should 
purchase for their designers.

thank you!

_________________________________________________________________
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp






FROM: Andrew Gideon
DATE: Thu 17:28
SUBJ: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel

In article <4.2.0.58.20010913112605.00a43458@...>,
	ddouglas@... (Duane Douglas) writes:
> At 11:12 AM 9/13/2001 -0400, Gilbert Midonnet wrote:
>>I think the most important thing is to
>>
>>1. put steel reinforced cockpit doors and walls
>>2. no matter what happens outside the pilots are never to relinquish control
>>of the aircraft.
> 
> this won't stop a cunning and ruthless terrorist.
> 
> terrorist: "i'll start executing people if you don't open the cockpit door!"
> crew:  "ok. ok.  we'll open the door!"

This has been discussed at great length on rec.aviation.piloting.
The consensus there is that, on Monday, this would have worked.
After Tuesday, however, perhaps not.  But, unfortunately, that's
a big "perhaps".

Remember that one of the pilots of one of the hijacked aircraft
was told "you will not be hurt".  That's a lot less believable
today.

Still, could we really rely upon a pilot not giving in
to the above type of demand?  Hope is a strong emotion.

Another idea that we discussed was the possibility of dumping
cabin pressure.  Assuming cruise altitude, this renders people
unconsious in seconds.  But it would also likely kill some of
the passengers.

Other ideas about protecting airspace have been discussed here.
So far, none have been worthy of any serious consideration for
numerous reasons (not the least of which is that there are many
potential targets not in Manhatten).

So the best we're still left with is preventing the takeover, 
and - if possible - preventing the boarding.  Again, I think
that El Al provides the example to which we should look.  It's
been pointed out that this will cost.  Unfortunately, I don't
believe that we've a credible alternative.

	- Andrew





FROM: Patricia Tagle
DATE: Thu 13:23
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rebuild, rebuild!!

I would have no problem as well.  I think the greatest memorial to those
people would be to show these terrorists that they did not win.  That these
people did not die and leave America scared.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gilbert Midonnet
To: wwwac@...
Sent: 9/13/01 12:35 PM
Subject: RE: [wwwac] Rebuild, rebuild!!

I would have zero problem. There are some people that would never live
on
land that used to be a cemetery, and others who would have no problem.
The
same applies here. Add to that mix a little nationalism and bravado and
you
would have quite a few people willing to work there. Finally, if the job
is
there ... how many here would truly refuse a it because it was built on
the
same ground as the WTC?

-- gilbert midonnet




-----Original Message-----
From: the nightboy <mailto:brian@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:14 PM
To: Jen_Runne@... wwwac@...
Subject: Re: [wwwac] Rebuild, rebuild!!


I would be seriously surprised if they built anything there besides a
monument to the people that died.  Who would want to work in an area
where
this catastrophe had happened.


 Brian Douglas  (:ub)
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FROM: ujin_c
DATE: Thu 10:49
SUBJ: [wwwac] Icons to show solidarity

here's some points i think you may have missed  when creating your symbol.

first, with all its power the pentagon couldn't even protect itself. so your
"protection" concept is out of the window.

second, let's not kid dourselves here. it's the pentagon's actions in the
past that caused the terrorists to bomb the wtc and harm new yorkers.
innocent people died because of our millitary and politicians misguided
policy around the world.

if you want a powerful solidarity symbol for millitary strength, put the
stars and stripes on your site.

if you want  a solidarity symbol to represent everything that is new york
city, the pain, the pride and all, i suggest we get ourselves five apples
and give them to the next five person we see, and tell them to do the same.

good idea though, keep it up.
- uc





FROM: Scott Bowling
DATE: Thu 13:37
SUBJ: [wwwac] more on the asbestos risk

On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:41:21 -0400
"Amita Guha" <bfift2girl@...> wrote:
>
> Is the asbestos airborne now?
> 
I would doubt that there's much airbourne presently, however, I wouldn't
want to say that for sure. It seems the primary risk is to those working
the rescue and cleanup, as they're pretty much wading through the stuff.
>From what I can tell, the primary risk to everyone was during the
collapse, when there was loads of material in the air. Anyone breathing
that sooty mess should probable get checked out.

I heard a report very early (and someone else posted about it) this
morning that the air had been tested and found safe, whatever that
really means. 

Scott






FROM: Thomas Walser
DATE: Thu 13:38
SUBJ: [wwwac] earthlink access not working

yeah, but i'm having problems with my dsl not dial-up.  i just don't understand
why one would work and not the other.  i'm thinking the interruption has more
to do with the investigation and maybe some kind of surveillance, than with
damage to the infrastructure -- otherwise, why would the interruption be
happening in both nyc and dc?  this is just speculation on my part.  please
don't consider this to be fact.

Raphi Salem wrote:

> my earthlink/mindspring account and dial up have been stable all week
> r
>
> Raphi Salem
> SalemGlobal Internet Web Design and Programming
> www.salemglobal.com
> 315 West 36th Street #508
> NY, NY 10018
> T) 212-736-9636
> F) 212-736-2896
> raphis@...
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mikki Monkolchayut <mikki@...>
> To: Thomas Walser <tjwal@...>
> Cc: <wwwac@...>
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [wwwac] earthlink access not working
>
> > Well, my earthlink 56k backup account has been working fine.
> > Internet was my only form of communication on Tuesday until 5pm then my
> > panix account went down and I found myself voiceless.
> >
> > I went to my boyfriends to get a dail up account and earthlink has been
> > stable since yesterday.
> >
> > Good luck
> >
> > M
> >
> > On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Thomas Walser wrote:
> >
> > > hi,
> > >
> > > i've been offline for about 24 hours now and have therefore had over 400
> > > emails from this list which i did not really read. so, i may be wrong,
> > > but i don't think that this has been discussed -- does anyone know what
> > > is going on with earthlink?
> > >
> > > i understand that they are cooperating with the fbi and handing them
> > > over all sorts of user information.  why would this disable their dsl
> > > service, though?  i was online yesterday until sometime in the evening,
> > > so i don't think my service interruption was a direct result of the
> > > attack.  i called today to get tech support and asked if the
> > > interruption had to do with an fbi investigation, and the guy told me he
> > > couldn't comment.  also, for a few hours, i received 2 copies of most of
> > > my emails -- were there 2 versions of my account somewhere for a while?
> > >
> > > i'd appreciate any insight.
> > >
> > > hope everyone is doing as well as possible.  this whole thing's really
> > > fucking with my head.
> > >
> > > -tom






FROM: carole guevin
DATE: Thu 13:36
SUBJ: [wwwac] volunteering

thanks Eric for the update - so I guess all those who have previously asked
to relay info about this will now head out - can somebody please give me the
exact address and a phone number of the Javitz Center so I can post it
immediately on netdiver.net!

> I just spoke to a woman at the NY State Emergency Mgmt. Center.
> I registered
> with them to help, and she said that she heard that volunteers
> should go over
> at the Javitz Center.  I'm headed over there in a little while.

carole






FROM: Williams, John
DATE: Thu 13:36
SUBJ: [wwwac] more on the asbestos risk

I am not in the city but can give you some info on asbestos.  This may
have been discussed already....some of the posts I deleted to make room
for work-related emails.
Concentrations of asbestos particles would primarily be in the basements
of most structures where the flame retardant properties of asbestos are
located.  In older buildings, asbestos was usually sprayed on the pipes
and girders to delay the burning process in case the building catches
fire; delay it just enough for people to evacuate.
It's plausible that asbestos becomes airborne after a major structural
collapse.  Asbestos particles are about 1/10 the size of the smallest
air sac in your lung, hence why it can damage and disease your body.
The biggest risk of asbestos is walking the streets of any major city,
since asbestos is one of the components in brake linings for your car.
If I were at the crash site, I would definitely wear at the least one of
the HEPA masks.

John

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Amita Guha <SMTP:bfift2girl@...>
> Sent:	Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:41 PM
> To:	wwwac@...
> Subject:	RE: [wwwac] more on the asbestos risk
>=20
> Is the asbestos airborne now?





FROM: Andrew Gideon
DATE: Thu 17:46
SUBJ: [wwwac] Keep them out of the cockpit (was: Rebuild then now (air marshals ))

In article <BFF4D3DE03BC304FBE2EAE125E87B80204CBF6@...>,
	dave@... ("David Choi") writes:
> the real feat is to not have human pilots at all and have all planes
> autoguided REMOTELY.  surely, the confidence of the people in technology
> nor the capability of the technology to handle all air traffic is not
> there right now, but once we can develop and prove that a system like
> that can work, it should definitely be the next step in security.

I'm not sure sure about this.  As much as I do love technology, 
I'd prefer something human at the ultimate control.  Humans do
get viruses, but - at least so far - they're not instantly
taken over and mentally controlled by them.

As a part of my training, I've read a great many stories of
pilots that managed to salvage a flight in the face of
massive system failures (including one triple-hydraulic
failure that was thought to be impossible).  I've some
difficulty seeing that sort of incredible action being
automated any time soon (or even not so soon).

	- Andrew





FROM: Maia Gemmill
DATE: Thu 13:48
SUBJ: [wwwac] five firefighters just pulled alive from the rubble

Reported on Fox 5 news, that 2 two of them actually walked away from the
scene once they were pulled out.

Amazing. Please let there be more.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Maia Gemmill * Production Manager
Hearst Interactive
959 eighth avenue
new york ny 10019
t:  212.649.2336   f:  212.957.8524
mgemmill@...







FROM: Peter Shankman
DATE: Thu 13:55
SUBJ: [wwwac] US Colors Day

I'm not one to send things like this out, but it seems such a simple thing 
to do, I guess.

-Peter

Subject: U.S. Color Day
 >
 > Tomorrow is U.S. Color day. Red, White & Blue should be worn in honor of
 > our
 > fellow Americans that died. Jeans worn will be blue. The goal is to get
 > the
 > whole nation to patricipate. Send this to 10 other people. In memory of
 > all
 > those who perished; the passengers and the pilots on the United Air and
 > AA
 > flights, the workers in the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, and all
 > the
 > innocent bystanders. Our prayers go
 > out to the friends and families of the deceased. Send this to at least
 > 10
 > people to show your support. DONT BREAK IT!!!!!! God's speed to all
 > those
 > who
 > have lost their lives...GOD BLESS AMERICA and the freedom it represents.



Peter Shankman
peter@...
www.shankman.com

"While the storm clouds gather far across the sea,
Let us swear allegiance to a land that's free,
Let us all be grateful for a land so fair,
As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer."





FROM: Peter Shankman
DATE: Thu 13:57
SUBJ: [wwwac] Latest Red Cross Info

Hi all...

I brought over Cat. 5 cables, a few hubs, and several octopus plugs to the 
Red Cross center on 67th and Amsterdam - They were very grateful, and 
accepted them without hesitation.

There IS a wait to donate blood, they don't need any more just yet. You can 
contribute in other ways, however. They still need financial donations and 
contributions, and they're also looking for specialized skill people - I 
went and registered with the Media office, offering my media relations and 
PR skills. They said they'd definitely contact me over the next few days, 
because they'd need more and more as time goes on - it's not just this 
week, then back to normal.

So figure out what you're good at, show up, and offer it. I think the time, 
and the volunteering of actual PEOPLE will help as much as blood and money 
will.

-Peter


Peter Shankman
peter@...
www.shankman.com

"While the storm clouds gather far across the sea,
Let us swear allegiance to a land that's free,
Let us all be grateful for a land so fair,
As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer."





FROM: Andrew Gideon
DATE: Thu 17:55
SUBJ: [wwwac] Grand Central Open

The NYTimes is reporting Grand Central open following
an evacuation due to a bomb threat.

	- Andrew





FROM: the nightboy
DATE: Thu 14:11
SUBJ: [wwwac] another building goes.

another building just collapsed.

they are saying the amex building.


 Brian Douglas  (:ub)
============================================================================








FROM: 
DATE: Thu 14:04
SUBJ: [wwwac] OT-BS: Why didn't anyone know?

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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In a message dated 9/13/2001 10:54:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
bongwater@... writes:


> shooting a palestinian child throwing rocks today will prevent one from
> toting an ak-47 later.
> 
> fuck them.
> 

I have nothing to add.

-Jim

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FROM: Peter Shankman
DATE: Thu 14:08
SUBJ: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel

Duane: I've already said it - The pilots don't open the door at ANY COST.

It's like the people who control the Nukes - They know if they get the 
order, they have to turn that key, regardless of how many people they KNOW 
they're going to kill. Does it suck? Yes. But would it prevent 10,000 
people from being killed? Probably.

-Peter

At 11:29 AM 9/13/01 -0400, you wrote:
>terrorist: "i'll start executing people if you don't open the cockpit door!"
>crew:  "ok. ok.  we'll open the door!"



Peter Shankman
peter@...
www.shankman.com

"While the storm clouds gather far across the sea,
Let us swear allegiance to a land that's free,
Let us all be grateful for a land so fair,
As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer."





FROM: Jeff Demel
DATE: Thu 13:15
SUBJ: [wwwac] got this from another list [Fwd: [New York City CoF] This came from a  friend in Washington, DC]

7 is too early, isn't it?  Would it be better to wait until it's darker?

And what about those of us in different time zones?  7 in NY is only 4 on
the West coast.

-Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Walser <mailto:tjwal@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:07 PM
To: wwwac@...
Subject: [wwwac] got this from another list [Fwd: [New York City CoF]
This came from a friend in Washington, DC]


i also liked the idea

> Hello Everyone,
>
> I usually don't forward messages like this, but it seems like a wonderful
> idea...  Here it is:
>
> Friday Night at 7:00 p.m. step out your door, stop your car, or step out
of
> your establishment and light a candle.   We will show the world that
> Americans are strong and united together against terrorism.  Please pass
> this to everyone on your e-mail list.  We need to reach everyone across
the
> United States quickly.
>
> The message:  WE STAND UNITED - WE WILL NOT TOLERATE TERRORISM!
>
> Thank you.
>
> We need press to cover this - we need the world to see.
>
> Bob Separ
>      :  Marketing Manager
>      :  CharityWave.com
>      :  rsepar@...
>      :  212-261-3186







FROM: gabriel friedman
DATE: Thu 14:10
SUBJ: [wwwac] Icons to show solidarity

it's definitely a clever design, but even after these bombings, the pentagon
building does not have a place in people's hearts. the people in it, maybe,
but not the building.

> From: hens <hens@...>
> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 02:37:15 -0400
> To: "ujin_c" <ujin_c@...>, <wwwac@...>
> Subject: Re: [wwwac] Icons to show solidarity
> 
> On 9/12/01 at 11:47 PM -0700, ujin_c wrote:
> 
>> how would you pronounce that. "i ??? ny"?
>> 
>> i don't think it's a good idea to equate an icon of new york city with a
>> military institution.
> 
> Seems like a worthy point. But then again, I loved Apple's posters for the
> NYC Mac Expo, that basically said "I [red apple] NY" and still, the
> original (heart) icon is so strong, it can handle that.
> 
> What I like most about Paul's design is how it shows both the Towers and
> the Pentagon, but the pentagram could easily be seen as a heart turned
> inside out....
> 
> -- 
> <http://www.monospace.com>
> You are visitor number one.






FROM: Don McCormick
DATE: Thu 14:10
SUBJ: [wwwac] Flash/LiveMotion help needed...

I hate to access what may be a Flash/LiveMotion 101 question.  But I need
help and would appreciate anyone's input.

I have created a 3 photo flash animation (in Adobe LiveMotion).  Each photo
fades into the other and then repeats.  The problem is that the 2nd and 3rd
photos bump a little to the left (about 1/2 way into the photo.)

Here is a link to see the problem:
http://www.allenperri.com/recipe_animation.html

Does anyone know why this is happening?  And what I can do to fix?

Any help would be appreciated.

I hope everyone is hanging in there during these difficult times.

Regards, [:-)on
 
/:\/:\/:\/:\/:\/:\/:\/:\/:\/:\/:\/:\/:\/:\/:\/:\:\/:\/:\/:\:\/:\/:\/:\
Don McCormick
  
Allen Perri Design Group, Ltd.
23 Valenza Avenue
Blauvelt, NY 10913
Voice   (845) 680-0124
Fax:    (845) 398-3384
Email  don@...
 
Please visit us on the web at http://www.allenperri.com







FROM: Beth
DATE: Thu 14:11
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rebuild, rebuild!!


I really like your design.  It would be a relatively quick replacement of
the hole in the skyline.  I like that it has hopeful/spiritual connotations
as well as almost-but-not-quite-threatening (we'll spy you if you fly here)
connotations.  Should satisfy both doves & hawks.

____________________________

Beth Budwig, web primate
beth@...

http://wso.williams.edu/~ebudwig
____________________________


> From: Paul Henry Smith <phs@...>
> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:09:41 -0400
> To: the nightboy <brian@...>, Jen_Runne@... (Jen Runne),
> wwwac@...
> Subject: Re: [wwwac] Rebuild, rebuild!!
> 
> At 12:14 PM -0400 9/13/01, the nightboy wrote:
>> I would be seriously surprised if they built anything there besides a
>> monument to the people that died.  Who would want to work in an area where
>> this catastrophe had happened.
> 
> I agree.
> 
> If we did not build on Fort Washington because 1,200 soldiers died there, we
> surely ought not to build where tens of thousands were killed.
> 
> Earlier I posted my idea for an IMMEDIATE, inexpensive and powerful memorial
> "beacon."  Here are the illustrations:
> 
> http://www.panix.com/~phs/beacon/
> 
> Paul
> -- 
> 
> ____________________________________________________
> phs@...              http://www.panix.com/~phs






FROM: Shirley, Scott
DATE: Thu 13:12
SUBJ: [wwwac] 5 firefighers

They are also still receiving phone calls and pages from people trapped
under the rubble.

In other news, it looks like the World Financial Center (or AMEX building?)
is about to collapse.  The rescue workers had to pull out.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil-Nicola <mailto:parrot123@...>
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:04 PM
> To: wwwac@...
> Subject: [wwwac] 5 firefighers
> 
> 
> 5 firefighters were found alive in an SUV covered in rubble! 
> 2 stepped out
> of the SUV on their own. Amazing Thank God. Lets hope for more
> 
> 
> -- 
> From the Desk of Phil Puleo and Nicola Ferguson





FROM: Mark Frieser
DATE: Thu 14:14
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rebuild, rebuild!!

Sorry guys, I don't agree.  The most fitting tribute to the dead is to
rebuild them as before and have a memorial where the fountain was.

To do anything less is to give in.

Best,

Mark


On 13-09-2001 13:09, "Paul Henry Smith" <phs@...> wrote:

> At 12:14 PM -0400 9/13/01, the nightboy wrote:
>> I would be seriously surprised if they built anything there besides a
>> monument to the people that died.  Who would want to work in an area where
>> this catastrophe had happened.
> 
> I agree.
> 
> If we did not build on Fort Washington because 1,200 soldiers died there, we
> surely ought not to build where tens of thousands were killed.
> 
> Earlier I posted my idea for an IMMEDIATE, inexpensive and powerful memorial
> "beacon."  Here are the illustrations:
> 
>  http://www.panix.com/~phs/beacon/
> 
> Paul






FROM: Michael Pinto
DATE: Thu 11:15
SUBJ: [wwwac] Three Small Things You Can Do Right Now

1. If you run any sort of website add a link to http://www.amazon.com/red-cross

2. If you think old friends may be worried about you, put a note on your homepage - for a quick
example: http://www.michaelpinto.com

3. You may also want to add a link to your e-mail signature (see below)...

Michael

=====
M I C H A E L   J A M E S   P I N T O
------------------------------------------------------------
Help NYC! Please Contribute: http://www.amazon.com/red-cross
Support My Reading Habit: http://www.fanboy.com 
Where I Work: http://www.vm.com
More About Me: http://www.michaelpinto.com  
My Favorite Music: http://www.thefall.org

__________________________________________________
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Donate cash, emergency relief information
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/





FROM: Eric Berg
DATE: Thu 14:10
SUBJ: [wwwac] volunteering

No, she didn't seem to know much about it, but I also just heard it on TV.  I'm
headed over now.

I expect that i'll get on some list or other and get called whenever they need
somebody.

I'll let you know when I get back.

-E.

Matt: [Thursday 13-September]:

> Did she give you any specifics about when to go/what to bring?
> 
> Matt
> 
> Eric Berg wrote:
> 
> > I just spoke to a woman at the NY State Emergency Mgmt. Center.  I registered
> > with them to help, and she said that she heard that volunteers should go over
> > at the Javitz Center.  I'm headed over there in a little while.
> >
> > -Eric.
> >
> > cb: [Thursday 13-September]:
> >
> > > Same here. Please let us know. I cant sit here and do nothing.
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > > dawn
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Matt" <mspiegler@...>
> > > To: "wwwac" <wwwac@...>
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:13 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [wwwac] volunteering
> > >
> > >
> > > > Please let us know as soon as you hear anything about this. I can't just
> > > sit
> > > > and watch it on TV anymore.
> > > >
> > > > thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > > > carole guevin wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > ABC just announced that sometimes this afternoon the Javitts Center will
> > > be
> > > > > dedicated to registering volunteers from medical, technical and ordinary
> > > > > people.  you will need to provide identification, skills you have and
> > > > > receive proper clearance before being put on a calling as needed list.
> > > Will
> > > > > forward more info on this later.
> > > > >
> > > > > carole
> > --
> > Eric D. Berg <eberg@...>
> > http://nylug.org/~eberg
> > Tel.  212-974-1041
> > Cell. 646-418-3608
> > AIM:  RickyBerg
> > ICQ:  eberg/83988870

-- 
Eric D. Berg <eberg@...>
http://nylug.org/~eberg
Tel.  212-974-1041
Cell. 646-418-3608
AIM:  RickyBerg
ICQ:  eberg/83988870






FROM: John A. Federico
DATE: Thu 14:26
SUBJ: [wwwac] Please...

<Tap. Tap. Testing, is this thing on?>

The son of an executive of my wife's company, a person of arab heritage
whose entire family has been in the states for generations, has been
receiving threats of violence. I'm unsure of the magnitude of the threats,
but the members of this family are americans, without any more familial ties
to the country of their heritage and don't deserve this treatment.

I want to see people pay for this as much as anyone and, yes, I've gotten a
little hotheaded over the whole thing. That being said, we can't lose site
of everything that we stand for.

These are good people who want to protect our way of life as much as the
rest of us. To start persecuting everyone just for their heritage will keep
this entire country spinning for years. Don't let it.

<John steps off soap box and tries to get his mind off this stuff for awhile
by trying to get some work done...>

-jf.

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Andrew Gideon <mailto:ag797@...>
>Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:04 PM
>To: wwwac@...
>Subject: Re: [wwwac] Please...
>
>
>In article <F137ImPiZxOASWTgZu60000b93b@...>,
>	xanthusleo@... ("Jonathan Kopp") writes:
>
>> Don't kill and don't let hate consume you. That's the only real hope we
>> have.
>
>Agreed.
>
>I just spent some time with a fellow that's a bigot under the
>best of times.  Now, he's intolerable.  And he's known me long
>enough to take great care of what he says around me; what he's
>saying to others would have to be sanitized to reach the height
>of merely disgusting.
>
>Another person, who was an airborne witness to the second crash,
>has put up a "kill an arab a day" site.  Ah, thankfully he's
>taken that down.  Perhaps sanity is returning.  I hope so.
>
>But I heard on the radio this morning some congresscritter
>saying that we should just bomb "them all", and "not worry
>about collateral damage."
>
>These people scare me.  The terrorists can maim and kill people.
>But these people threaten what I consider to be our way of
>life.
>
>	- Andrew






FROM: ujin_c
DATE: Thu 11:41
SUBJ: [wwwac] chomsky's reaction

www.zmag.org 

-----

Chomsky note...

Just got your message. Quick reaction.

Today's attacks were major atrocities. In terms of number of victims
they do not reach the level of many others, for example, Clinton's
bombing of the Sudan with no credible pretext, destroying half its
pharmaceutical supplies and probably killing tens of thousands of people
(no one knows, because the US blocked an inquiry at the UN and no one
cares to pursue it). Not to speak of much worse cases, which easily come
to mind. But that this was a horrendous crime is not in doubt. The
primary victims, as usual, were working people: janitors, secretaries,
firemen, etc. It is likely to prove to be a crushing blow to
Palestinians and other poor and oppressed people. It is also likely to
lead to harsh security controls, with many possible ramifications for
undermining civil liberties and internal freedom.

The events reveal, dramatically, the foolishness of ideas about "missile
defense." As has been obvious all along, and pointed out repeatedly by
strategic analysts, if anyone wants to cause immense damage in the US,
including weapons of mass destruction, they are highly unlikely to
launch a missile attack, thus guaranteeing their immediate destruction.
There are innumerable easier ways that are basically unstoppable. But
today's events will, nonetheless, be used to increase the pressure to
develop these systems and put them into place. "Defense" is a thin cover
for plans for militarization of space, and with good PR, even the
flimsiest arguments will carry some weight among a frightened public.
In short, the crime is a gift to the hard jingoist right, those who hope
to use force to control their domains. That is even putting aside the
likely US actions, and what they will trigger -- possibly more attacks
like this one, or worse. The prospects ahead are even more ominous than
they appeared to be before the latest atrocities.

Noam Chomsky






FROM: the nightboy
DATE: Thu 14:39
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rebuild, rebuild!!

>I would have no problem as well.  I think the greatest memorial to those
>people would be to show these terrorists that they did not win.  That these
>people did not die and leave America scared.
>


But they did.  I saw it with my own eyes. If you live in NYC as I do, you
will notice that people are very edgy.  And it's not a," I am just pissed
off thing."


 Brian Douglas  (:ub)
============================================================================








FROM: Steven Clift
DATE: Thu 13:43
SUBJ: [wwwac] The Net Response - What you can do online to help and respond


                                       -- Please Forward -->

The Net Response

By Steven Clift
http://www.publicus.net
Future updates: netresponse-subscribe@...


During this time of great tragedy now is the time to use 
all the tools we have available to help the families of the 
missing, the dead and injured survivors.  We need to come 
together as communities within our nation and nations 
around the world as we respond and care for one another.   

You can do something right now via the Internet from your 
home and place of work as well as donate blood, money, and 
time to relief efforts.  Use the Internet as a simple 
communication tool to provide mutual benefit and support to 
others in this crisis and help build the bonds required to 
deal with what comes next.  Bringing people together and 
strengthening the bonds of family, friendship, and 
neighbors is step one, online and in-person.

Step two is to use the Internet to gain insight and 
understanding on a global basis so we can more effectively 
respond and change the environment that motivates terrorism.  
While our governments, intelligence operations, and armies 
will respond with great force, we as humans can do our part 
one person at a time.  

The cornerstone of your action is the creation of different 
kinds of e-mail group lists. You can create a free e-mail 
lists in minutes from websites like YahooGroups 
<http://groups.yahoo.com/>, Topica <http://topica.com>, and 
others.  An e-mail list allows you to exchange messages 
through one e-mail address (i.e. myfamily@... 
among a group of members subscribed to the list.  E-mail 
can be private or public and lists may be set-up to deliver 
one-way announcements or allow open discussion.  If you 
create a public e-mail list, send me an announcement 
netresponse@... that I can share with others.  

Take action now by creating an e-mail list for:  

  1. Your Family - Create an e-mail group list for your   
  extended family.  E-mail lists will help you communicate 
  as a family group in an easy and convenient manner.    
  Step one is to collect all of your family member 
  addresses. You should do this whether this directly 
  affected your family or not.   

  2. Friends - Create an e-mail list for friends who want  
  to provide mutual support to each other and families of 
  those who are missing, confirmed dead, or survivors who 
  need assistance.  Of course, any group of friends can 
  create a list to support the needs of any shared friend 
  in any difficult life situation or simply to make group 
  contact easy across the country, town, or world.  

  3. Neighbors - Whether for the people who live on your 
  block, your larger neighborhood or entire town, e-mail 
  forums you should build an e-mail list in the common 
  interest for community conversation.  These forums are 
  technically like all those global special interest 
  discussion forums, but instead are local and general in 
  nature.  When a community is in crisis, it needs a forum 
  that people can turn to for immediate many-to-many 
  communication.  At the very local level we need the 
  protection of neighbors who communicate with one another 
  and the Internet can help break that ice required to 
  rebuild the in-person connections required to survive.  I
  run an e-mail list for my neighborhood, so can you.  If 
  we see suspicious activity in our neighborhoods, we need 
  the bonds to discover and report such activity to the 
  appropriate authorities.  Building trust among neighbors 
  is a key building block for local safety and security.  
  See my related article on Building the Online Commons 
  <http://e-democracy.org/do/commons.html> for more advice. 
 
  4. Area Response to Attacks - One way to help coordinate 
  tributes and the response in your country (many of those 
  missing are citizens of many countries), state, or city, 
  is to create special e-mail lists for communication among
  those seeking to aid the recovery or those who want to 
  respond.  Such forums can be created to deal with local 
  issues such as helping traumatized children, organizing 
  rallies and memorial services, or dealing with local 
  discrimination and acts not in the spirit of domestic 
  tolerance.  

  5. Share News, Information and Views - Through e-mail 
  lists like the Sept11info@... set up 
  voluntarily by Andy Carvin   
  <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sept11info> thousands of 
  people are sharing breaking news and in-depth resources 
  that allow us to gain deeper insights into what is 
  happening.  My own site <http://www.politicalbs.com> 
  provides quick links to additional web-based political 
  discussion forums and to government and media sources 
  around the world. As the United States and its allies 
  develop their response, the Internet will be used on a 
  global basis to share news and information unlike never 
  before.  This and e-mail lists that you create will allow 
  people to communicate directly and unmediated around the 
  world.  We will be able to interact directly with those 
  in the Middle East and read their news just as they can 
  watch and read ours.  Nothing will break down the highly 
  propagandistic mass media in some countries or even our 
  own as military action is taken.  That is not that point.
  The challenge for us is to use the Internet to build 
  direct human connection among the vast majority of 
  moderate and reasonable individuals in all countries so 
  we can learn as much as we can about the motivations of 
  terrorists and how to most effectively attack and cut off
  the support for those organizations and ideologies.    

However you respond to recent events, the Internet can play 
a useful and practical role.  That said, the Internet is 
only a small part of what we all can and should do.  Events 
like these help us appreciate our families and friends and 
what really matters in this world.  By organizing online we 
can more quickly respond to what is next and hopefully help 
control our own destiny.  

Finally, if you are interested in ways we can use the 
Internet to deal with this situation, join my low volume 
NetResponse e-mail list and stay tuned for future updates.  
To subscribe send a message to 
<netresponse-subscribe@...>. If you are 
technically involved in any existing relief, response, or 
media efforts or if you want to contribute your ideas, 
advanced technical and programming skills, or your 
technical infrastructure, join the NetResponse Technical 
working group by sending an e-mail to 
<netresponse-tech-subscribe@...>.  
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FROM: Larry Aronson
DATE: Thu 14:40
SUBJ: [wwwac] Adam Fields Checking in (fwd)

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:06:26 -0400
From: Adam Fields <fields@...>
To: wwwac-owner@...
Subject: Checking in

I can't get to the mail account I'm subscribed with
(fields@...

Please forward this message to the list, if it's still running.

My apartment is 8 blocks south of the WTC, and I was home when the
planes hit. I'm fine, I was able to get out, but my building and most
of my neighborhood is inaccessible for the foreseeable future.

My heart goes out to those who have friends and assocciates who are
still unaccounted for, and especially to those who perished in the
blast.

Hold Fast...






FROM: Sheri Wallace
DATE: Thu 11:05
SUBJ: [wwwac] National Writers Union effort?

Is anyone aware of an effort by the NWU to assist the rescue workers'
unions? I'm in Tucson, Arizona, the newest local, and we'd like to help out.

Sheri Wallace
sheri@...






FROM: Peter Shankman
DATE: Thu 14:40
SUBJ: [wwwac] I just got called from the Red Cross

All:

If you don't think the Red Cross needs you, think again...

I volunteered less than 2 hours ago, putting my name down on a list. I just 
got a phone call, and I'm going in tonight, handling the 8pm-8am shift, 
helping out in the Media Relations Center.

So if you think they can't use you, whatEVER your specific skillset is, I 
IMPLORE you, to PLEASE think again, GO there, and SIGN UP. They CAN USE YOU.

-Peter


Peter Shankman
peter@...
www.shankman.com

"While the storm clouds gather far across the sea,
Let us swear allegiance to a land that's free,
Let us all be grateful for a land so fair,
As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer."





FROM: Bob Ponce
DATE: Thu 14:43
SUBJ: [wwwac] Steve Masur's OK!

Just got word from someone who spoke to Steve Masur by phone-- he and all 
his office staff are OK -- more details to follow

Bob Ponce
Stationmaster
Silicon Alley Station
http://siliconalley.net
bob@...
212 926 1312






FROM: Kathy Forer
DATE: Thu 13:58
SUBJ: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel

At 12:29 PM -0400 9/13/01, Duane Douglas wrote:
>i think that anything short of a swat team would be futile.

Perhaps the military nature of the solution is what seems futile and 
is really only a short term swat at the problem.





FROM: May S. Young
DATE: Thu 14:47
SUBJ: [wwwac] Candle Lighting

Hey folks,

My friend jsut forwarded me this:

Candle Lighting-Please participate

Friday Night at 7:00 p.m. step out your door, stop your car, or step out
of
your establishment and light a candle.
We will show the world that Americans are strong and united together
against
terrorism.
Please pass this to everyone on your e-mail list. We need to reach
everyone
across the United States quickly.

The message: WE STAND UNITED - WE WILL NOT TOLERATE TERRORISM.

We need press to cover this-we need the world to see.




h   i   r   e   g   u   n   .   c   o   m
--------------------------------------------
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contact - may s. young
vox -  845 365 1903
email - may@...
URL - http://www.hiregun.com







FROM: Michael Cervieri
DATE: Thu 14:39
SUBJ: [wwwac] Fwd: Health Precuations

for those in lower manhattan.

>
>
>There is a serious health risk as well -- asbestos. The NYT I got this
>morning in Boston did not cover this at all, but plenty of walking wounded
>are being shipped to NJ for decontamination (Clara Mas on the west side of
>Newark has the only decon unit in North Jersey, I think) and health care
>professionals know the risk. They are wearing protective clothing, even at
>the hospital. Briefly:
>
>The WTC was the LAST big building in the US to use blow-on asbestos
>insulation to protect the steel beams from fire's heat. The asbestos type
>specified for this purpose is chrysotile ("white" asbestos). This type is
>generally believed to be no more dangerous than any other fiber (the fiber
>in fiber glass, for instance). But crocidolite, another form of asbestos
>("blue" asbestos) contaminates chrysotile in most asbestos deposits, and it
>has been known for 30 years that the asbestos used in the WTC has a lot of
>it. This stuff is now blown all over lower Manhattan. Crocidolite is a
>carcinogen, considered a POTENT carcinogen by many. (Mt. Sinai in Manhattan
>has long had a good research team on this issue.) There are plenty of
>documented cases of shipyard workers getting mesothelioma (a cancer of the
>chest lining, unique to asbestos) after only a few weeks' exposure to croc.
>Smoking raising the risk drastically. Almost 100% of all asbestos workers in
>the 60s and 70s who smoked  have died of mesothelioma.
>
>Asbestos fibers are caught in simple medical face masks, if the masks are
>worn properly (no beards!). I would not send a student who smokes down into
>lower manhattan without such protection. After a visit, they should shower
>and send clothing to the laundry (to avoid spreading dust to others).
>
>BTW, most of the gray ash seems to be made up mainly of clay (from paper)
>and other construction materials, but there is asbestos there as well.
>
>The Port Authority ignored advice on this issue when the towers were built.
>Also, contrary to NYC building codes at the time, the stairwells for
>emergency use did not open directly to the outside -- a serious bottleneck
>partially overcome by above-average attention to tenant training.
>
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>Boston University School of Communications
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>
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FROM: Michael Cervieri
DATE: Thu 14:55
SUBJ: [wwwac] Scrapbook?

we've been doing it at school: http://www.jrn.columbia.edu/studentwork/terror/


At 1:54 PM +0100 9/13/01, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
>I feel the urge to write some personal stuff about New York, the
>people and me. It's a purely selfish thing in that it contributes
>very little to the essential material happenings there now, but a
>scrapbook of stories about the WTC and it's daily life seems to me to
>be a small tribute.
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>Dave






FROM: David Choi
DATE: Thu 14:49
SUBJ: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel

you say that now.  once it can be proven to work properly with enough
redundancy and enough intelligence, mindsets will change.  i'm not
saying tomorrow... but maybe 10-20 years from now.  you have no idea
what can come about.  you say never, and so many like you have been
proven wrong time and time again.

and getting pilots strapped, i hear that argument and pilots have
rejected that notion (in msnbc interviews)...

-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Lee <mailto:klee@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:04 PM
To: David Choi; wwwac@...
Subject: RE: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel



So then the terrorists have to be hackers who hack into the remote
guidance=20
systems.

You'd never get 95% of the public on a plane with no pilot.

At 12:12 PM 9/13/2001, David Choi wrote:
>remote controlled planes... no pilots
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chris Toliver <mailto:christ@...>
>Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:29 AM
>To: Gilbert Midonnet; wwwac@...
>Subject: RE: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel
>
>
>They have plans for Kevlar reinforced cabins but they scrapped the
plans
>saying it would be too hard to get into after a crash. Like that
>matters.
>
>Chris
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gilbert Midonnet <mailto:Gilbert.Midonnet@...>
>Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:13
>To: wwwac@...
>Subject: RE: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel
>
>
>I think the most important thing is to
>
>1. put steel reinforced cockpit doors and walls
>2. no matter what happens outside the pilots are never to relinquish
>control
>of the aircraft.
>
>I find it disgusting that it was policy for the airline pilots to do
so.
>I
>hope people who before this squirmed at the thought and considered it
>alarmist rhetoric would now recognize it as a rational approach.
>
>With these two precautions in place damage, hence motive, is curtailed.
>
>
>-- gilbert midonnet
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Amita Guha <mailto:bfift2girl@...>
>Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:56 AM
>To: wwwac@...
>Subject: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel
>
>
>One of the things that has freaked me out since
>the tragedy on Tuesday is the sudden realization
>that in the wrong hands, a jet plane can become
>a giant bomb. But I just thought of something...
>would it be possible to create some sort of fuel
>or other method of propulsion that wouldn't be
>flammable? It wouldn't eliminate the threat of
>heinous acts, but if they were still committed,
>maybe the loss of lives would be a lot less.
>
>Perhaps this tragedy will bring around a new
>era in air travel, the way the Hindenberg disaster
>ended the popularity of zeppelins and made way for
>airplanes.
>
>Am I the only person here who is completely terrified
>of getting on a plane again? Reply off list if you
>want to talk....
>
>
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FROM: Peter Shankman
DATE: Thu 14:53
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rumor: Whitney Houston is dead...

All:

Just heard an UNCONFIRMED rumor that Whitney Houston died of a drug 
overdose this morning - Anyone else hear anything?

-Peter


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FROM: Amita Guha
DATE: Thu 14:57
SUBJ: [wwwac] US Colors Day

This would be a lot more cool if we all flew
in military jets to Afghanistan and did it
there.






FROM: jdaly
DATE: Thu 14:58
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rebuild, rebuild!!


Paul,

My first reaction to the New Jersey illustration was of images of WW II London, floodlights
and anti-aircraft guns. Not the desired effect, for me.

I completely believe we should rebuild these structures at least to their former size and
grandeur, but with a financial center, cultural center and memorial.  I don't want
terrorists and the threat of terror dictating how we should shape the NYC skyline. 
Also, there are communities thoroughly dependent on the World Financial Center - Battery
Park, for instance.  A lot of people will leave if there are not some ambitious and
worthy recovery plans drawn up, and as soon as we get over the shock of this. 

JD

> 
> At 12:14 PM -0400 9/13/01, the nightboy wrote:
> >I would be seriously surprised if they built anything there besides a
> >monument to the people that died.  Who would want to work in an area where
> >this catastrophe had happened.
> 
> I agree.
> 
> If we did not build on Fort Washington because 1,200 soldiers died there, we surely ought not to build where tens of thousands were killed. 
> 
> Earlier I posted my idea for an IMMEDIATE, inexpensive and powerful memorial "beacon."  Here are the illustrations:
> 
>    http://www.panix.com/~phs/beacon/
> 
> Paul
> -- 
> 





FROM: Heather Donohue
DATE: Thu 15:07
SUBJ: [wwwac] another building goes.


It's One Liberty Plaza that collapsed.

http://www.ny1.com/ny/TopStories/SubTopic/index.html?topicintid=1&subtopicintid=1&contentintid=16037

AmEx is the tallest building in the World Financial Center, the one with
the pyramid shape on the top. I can see it out my window now, so it hasn't
gone anywhere.

-Heather Donohue



On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, the nightboy wrote:

> another building just collapsed.
>
> they are saying the amex building.
>
>
>  Brian Douglas  (:ub)
> ============================================================================






FROM: Shirley, Scott
DATE: Thu 14:07
SUBJ: [wwwac] another building goes.

Not yet.  They evacuated it because of concerns.  It's bad, though because
it has been a morgue and triage area.  All the rescue workers have pulled
out.  1 Liberty plaza is also considered dangerous again as well.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: the nightboy <mailto:brian@...>
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 2:11 PM
> To: Jesse Erlbaum; 'wwwac@...
> Subject: [wwwac] another building goes.
> 
> 
> another building just collapsed.
> 
> they are saying the amex building.
> 
> 
>  Brian Douglas  (:ub)
> ==============================================================
> ==============





FROM: Carole Filangieri
DATE: Thu 15:02
SUBJ: [wwwac] another building goes.

One Liberty Plaza
http://www.ny1.com/ny/TopStories/SubTopic/index.html?topicintid=1&subtopicintid=1&contentintid=16037

At 2:11 PM -0400 09/13/01, the nightboy wrote:
>another building just collapsed.
>
>they are saying the amex building.
>
>
>  Brian Douglas  (:ub)
>============================================================================

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FROM: Marc Perton
DATE: Thu 12:11
SUBJ: [wwwac] OT: Disaster Relief Mailing List

Sorry for the off-topic post, but I thought some people here would be
interested in this. A friend and I have started a mailing list to share
information about relief efforts, volunteer opportunities and charitable giving
in New York. For more information, please go to:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nyrelief 

Please feel free to pass this information along to anyone who you think might
be interested.

Thanks.



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FROM: Rick Ellis
DATE: Thu 19:13
SUBJ: [wwwac] Cantor Fitzgerald update

This is a bit long, but since so many people have asked about the 
whereabouts of Cantor Fitzgerald employees, I'll pass along this press 
release from the company.

So far, they say they've been able to contact and/or have been contacted by 
about 300 employees. That's not as upbeat as you might think, however, since 
most of those were either not on site or in lower reaches of the building 
when the plane hit the tower.

Cantor Fitzgerald reportedly hopes to have an updated list tomorrow. But 
people I have spoken with say that so far, they have not tracked down any 
survivors who were on floors 101-105 when the plane hit.

Rick Ellis
www.allyourtv.com
407-856-2584

******************************************************

Cantor, eSpeed, and TradeSpark employs approximately 1000 people on the 
101,103,104,105 floors of One World Trade Center.
Our first priority is identifying the whereabouts of our employees.

Currently we are maintaining and verifying a list of "safe and accounted for 
individuals" which is updated hourly.

The company is operating 3 call centers:
1-866-326-3188 (open 24 hours)
1-212-309-4150 (open daily 9am - 9pm NY Time)
011 2078943712 (open daily 9am - 12am UK Time)

There are currently 300 people on our "safe and accounted for list".

These names have not yet been confirmed. Cantor is currently in the process 
of validating each name below. We are doing everything possible to verify 
this list and will be endeavoring to publish an accurate list by end of day 
tomorrow.
Alex, Albin
Alvelez, James
Anaya, Alex
Anjum, Khizar
Arbeeny, Gene
Aviles, James
Bajatti, Raj
Balelluguri, Pavn
Barrero, Flober
Barrow, Sean
Bartoli, John
Baudanza, Ron
Becker, Helen
Beepath, Rosemary
Bell, Jeremy
Bellows, David
Belova, Bella
Berman, Richard
Bernardo, Shawn
Bettig, Richard
Bhatia, Atul
Bhatti, Raj
Blazer, Marc
Bonitto, Michelle
Bonsignore, Debbie
Borgella, Marie
Borland, Jim
Bracaleri, Al
Brisconni, Roseanne
Bruccoleri, Albert
Budzakowki, Kire
Burns, MaryAnne
Byrne, Jim
Campion, Robert
Camuglia, Chris
Caparro, Theresa
Carey, Beth
Carlsen, Cheryl
Cascione, Michael
Cassisa, Anna Marie
Castro, Sylvia
Catrini, Val
Chakroborti, Asish
Chambliss, Russell
Chen, Kangfu
Cheshun, Alex
Chou, Richard
Ciaita, Anne Marie
Claus, Matt
Coffey, Jim
Concillo, Fred
Conenza, Thomas
Connors, Matt
Costagliola, Karen
Costillo, Karen
Crosby, Chris
Cummings, Craig
DaPuzzo, Pete
Davis, Shawn
Davis, Marvita
Delgado, Maria
Deluca, Michael
Despian, Judy
Dichiara, Virginia
Dorval, Marc
Dossel, Hans
Dotoli, Greg
Dragonetti, Mary
Drury, Arthur
Dudonis, Kate
Emery, Robert
Endicott, David
Evans, Debra
Fairbairn, Paul
Fang, Kun
Fernandez, Nuno
Ficcaro, Jim
Fiedler, Rebekah
Fircar, Apurba
Flanagan, Bud
Fontana, Jennifer
Fox, Gloria
Fraser, Stuart
France/Frantz, Joseph
Fry, Harry
Fusco, Richard
Gallagher, Guy
Garcia-Dorta, Theresa
Garster, Mike
Gaudioso, John
Gazzillo, Monica
Gelman, Rony
Gen, Jin
Georgiantonio, Christina
Gerber, Tatyana
Geringer, Paul
Germant, John
Gigi, Gomez
Gill, Bill
Ginsberg, Phil
Giorgiantonio, Christina
Godely, Natalie
Gombas, Greg
Gomes-Gregory, Felicia
Gomez, Gina
Gonzalez-Colon, Martha
Gossel, Hans
Grant, Laverne
Greco, Eveline
Guneri, Drina
Guzman, Maritza
Hall, Tracey
Harbreck, Gina
Hartanto, Anton
Hatton, Rachel
Hawryluk, Gina
Hayes, Robert
Heaton , Tim
Hicks, Ed
Hoffman, Edward
Hoffman, Jefferey
Hoy, John
Hunt, Maureen
Inciardi, Joan
Ini, Shawn
Intravaia, Vincent
Jalazzo, Evan
Jantz, Craig
Jenner, Melissa
Jiang, Sean
Johnson, Daryl
Jones, Tim
Joseph, Franz
Joseph, Jefferey
Juris, John
Kakkadath, Samir
Karosen, Kent
Kaushanskaya, Rita
Keller, Donald
Kelly, Brian
Kendall, Jason
Kennedy, Ryan
Khalfan, Asif
Kindya, Joseph
Kirksey, Darius
Knipping, Glenn
Kober, Sarah
Kovlenko, Yakov
Kravette, Dave
Kumar , Satek
Kumara, Satya
Kumaresan, Arul
Kura, Ramana
Kwasnicki, Carl
Lambert, Gary
Lang, James
Lanzer, Jack
Larocco, Anthony
Lavin, Tom
Law, John
Le, Hanby
Lederman, Kevin
Lee, Jenny
Leguillow, Alicia
Leohner, Bart
Levine, Roger
Levitin, Helen
Lewis, Mark
Lindung, Bryan
Lombardi, Joseph
Long, Bill
Longhitano, Albert
Lutnick, Edie
Lutnick, Howard
Lyons, Paul
Maio, James
Makovoz, Mike
Malone, Jim
Manning, Lauren
Marber, Phil
Marcellino, Lauren
Margolis, Joshua
Marron, Susan
Martinez, Joan
Martinez, John
Masolino, Lauren
Matayeva, Alla
McCann, Anna Mary
McGuire, Phil
McLeester, Ken
McNeice, Jim
Megna, Jennifer
Mele, Joel
Melville, Dianne
Merchant, Richard
Merkel, Steven
Messina, Loren
Messineo, Christopher
Mestechkin, Oleg
Miller, Carl
Miller, Paul
Mogulothu, Sreeman
Mont, Mara
Montague, Karen
Morroni, Mike
Mosolino, Lauren
Munoz, Carole
Murphy, John
Murphy, Kevin
Naccari, Mike
Nagourney, Steve
Natale, Shannon
Nauiokas, Amy
Navon, Steve
Ng , Sherman
Niccari, Mike
Notohadiwidjojo, Irwan
Noviello, Joe
Nugent, Theresa
O'Leary, Monica
Ortiz, Karen
Ottochian, Dennis
Oukaour, Siad
Pabon, Vanessa
Pace, Patricia
Palazola, Bob
Parakat, Vinod
Parkhomovsky, Mikhail
Pasquale, Richie
Pepe, Chris
Petraus, Jim
Peyser, Jonathan
Pfeiffer, Virginia
Pierson, Robert
Pietrosh, Jim
Poleshchuk, Valeriy
Pollutri, Robert
Posey, Eddie
Prasad, Mark
Provino, Jack
Puccia, Angela
Pundi, Ven
Punzone, Jacqueline
Purville, Lisa
Rai, Ankush
Rakhnayev, Michael
Ramdhan, Marilyn
Ramos, Eugene
Ramos, Vaughn
Rappold, Jennifer
Ritz, Jennifer
Riviera, Gil
Rivera, Christina
Rodriguez, Eric
Rogich, Tracy
Rojas, Edgar
Rojas, Joseph
Roman, Juan
Rosenberg, Mark
Ruocco, Andrew
Rush, Randy
Rushford, Francis
Samothrakis, Chris
Satish, Solanki
Schodowski, Lisa
Schonbrun, Ari
Scibetta, Adriane
Scibetta, Mariana
Scimeca, Mark
Seborowski, Edward
Semegran, Michael
Servidio (nee Driscoll), Beth
Shaman, Jackie
Shannon, Natalie
Shneyderman, Svetlana (Lana)
Sichenzio, Tony
Sicmeca, Mark
Sircar, Apurba
Sison, Steven
Smith, Michael
Smith, Ted
So, Rachel
Solanki, Satish
Sorenson, Chris
Spielman, Elias
Stevens, James
Sullivan, Richard
Sverdlow, Tamara
Syed, Akhil
Tagliarini, Anthony
Talbot, Mark
Talvy, James
Tandit, Yana
Tarantino, Thomas
Tarkahomovski, Michail
Tempesta, Dorothy
Thomas, Lesley
Tiongco, Marie
Titov, Alex
Trillo, Tom
Troy, Patrick
Tucci, Michael
Turetsky, Janna
Turner, Staci
Urquidi, Ricardo
Valentine, Nick
Vaysberg, Mark
Vazquez, Richard
Veitch, Celeste
Virbukas, Pauline
Waizer, Harry
Walczak, Frank
Wall, David Scott
Walters, Jessica
Wang, Chung-Sin
Warco, Steve
Watson, Rick
Weigand, Jennifer
Weiss, David B.
Wessels, Paul
Whitken, Marc
Williams, Mike
Windrum, Dan
Wyant, Matt
Ye, Hanbi
Yuen, Harvey
Zmudzinski, Robert





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FROM: mrs.j.hart
DATE: Thu 15:22
SUBJ: [wwwac] Any Battery Park residents been home?

i know a Battery Park resident posted earlier but he didn't mention specific
buildings... he said he's safe but can't get access to his apartment. maybe
he'll contact you if he reads this. or you can try to
contact: Vincent Yeh <viny@...>

who am i? who is mr.j?
----- Original Message -----
From: Laura <laura@...>
To: WWWAC <wwwac@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:01 PM
Subject: [wwwac] Any Battery Park residents been home?


> My sister lives on Southend Ave. (one block from the towers) and has no
idea
> of the state of her apartment building. Has anyone been there?
> ____________________________
> ===  Laura






FROM: Scott Wickham
DATE: Thu 12:15
SUBJ: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel

Make it easier.

door can't be opened. If it is plane goes to auto
pilot and ditches in nearest ocean of lake.

Personally I would just have it explode. 


--- Peter Shankman <peter@...> wrote:
> Duane: I've already said it - The pilots don't open
> the door at ANY COST.
> 
> It's like the people who control the Nukes - They
> know if they get the 
> order, they have to turn that key, regardless of how
> many people they KNOW 
> they're going to kill. Does it suck? Yes. But would
> it prevent 10,000 
> people from being killed? Probably.
> 
> -Peter
> 
> At 11:29 AM 9/13/01 -0400, you wrote:
> >terrorist: "i'll start executing people if you
> don't open the cockpit door!"
> >crew:  "ok. ok.  we'll open the door!"
> 
> 
> 
> Peter Shankman
> peter@...
> www.shankman.com
> 
> "While the storm clouds gather far across the sea,
> Let us swear allegiance to a land that's free,
> Let us all be grateful for a land so fair,
> As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer."


=====
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74th st,201w apt#14K  Huge 1 Bedroom apt 
Check it out  http://www.webnyc.com    
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FROM: Rick Ellis
DATE: Thu 19:16
SUBJ: [wwwac] 5 firefighers


>They are also still receiving phone calls and pages from people trapped
>under the rubble.
>
>In other news, it looks like the World Financial Center (or AMEX building?)
>is about to collapse.  The rescue workers had to pull out.
>

Well, it sounds as if at least two of the fireman had been trapped late last 
night or this morning, instead of during the building collapse.

World Financial apparently has structural damage on the top five floors, 
although no one seems to have a clear sense of the damage--or at least, not 
anyone who is speaking to the press.

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FROM: Amita Guha
DATE: Thu 15:19
SUBJ: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel

> terrorist: "i'll start executing people if you don't open the 
> cockpit door!"
> crew:  "ok. ok.  we'll open the door!"

In a scenario like this, an appropriate response by the pilot
would be first to dump fuel in a safe place and then find a place
to land, quickly. 






FROM: Scott Wickham
DATE: Thu 12:23
SUBJ: [wwwac] blind nationalism

Its not blind nationalism. 10k deaths our eyes are
wide open.

Personally I think people have been rather chill, in
manhattan people are still buying and being polite to
the many Arab shop owners.


=====
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FROM: Beth
DATE: Thu 15:24
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rebuild, rebuild!!


I really like your design.  It would be a relatively quick replacement of
the hole in the skyline.  I like that it has hopeful/spiritual connotations
as well as almost-but-not-quite-threatening (we'll spy you if you fly here)
connotations.  Should satisfy both doves & hawks.


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> From: Paul Henry Smith <phs@...>
> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:09:41 -0400
> To: the nightboy <brian@...>, Jen_Runne@... (Jen Runne),
> wwwac@...
> Subject: Re: [wwwac] Rebuild, rebuild!!
> 
> At 12:14 PM -0400 9/13/01, the nightboy wrote:
>> I would be seriously surprised if they built anything there besides a
>> monument to the people that died.  Who would want to work in an area where
>> this catastrophe had happened.
> 
> I agree.
> 
> If we did not build on Fort Washington because 1,200 soldiers died there, we
> surely ought not to build where tens of thousands were killed.
> 
> Earlier I posted my idea for an IMMEDIATE, inexpensive and powerful memorial
> "beacon."  Here are the illustrations:
> 
> http://www.panix.com/~phs/beacon/
> 
> Paul
> -- 
> 
> ____________________________________________________
> phs@...              http://www.panix.com/~phs






FROM: Jay Sulzberger
DATE: Thu 15:24
SUBJ: [wwwac] OPEN LETTER: Tragedy followed by travesty. (fwd)



---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 18:25:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jay D. Dyson <jdyson@...>
To: President George W. Bush <president@...>
Cc: Cryptography List <cryptography@...>,
     InfoSec News <isn@...>
Subject: OPEN LETTER: Tragedy followed by travesty.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Dear Mr. President,

	I am writing you to express my thanks for your sincere and
thoughtful remarks on today's national tragedy.  Like you, I offer my
condolences to the families and friends of the victims of this horrific
attack.  I also write you on behalf of potential victims of a growing and
unreasoned response to this travesty.

	Interspersed with the reports on today's national tragedy, I have
been hearing other news that is as disconcerting as the senseless loss of
life.  Namely, that Federal Law Enforcement Agency spokespersons are
talking of limiting not only civil liberties of free passage, but veiled
references to endorsing the curtailing of privacy-enabling technologies,
all of which are cryptography-based.

	It seems that those who truly care about freedom and all that it
entails are being afforded no time to mourn this day's losses.  I believe
it no product of wild speculation to suggest that many policiticians and
media pundits will once again renew their calls for limitations on public
access to strong cryptography.  These movements will be built on the
graves of the dead in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania.  The claim
will ultimately be made that if cryptography had not been so readily
available, our intelligence agencies would have been able to detect and
summarily thwart today's attack on the contintental United States.

	Suffice it to say that I can no sooner embrace such notions than I
can embrace the terrorists who brought this tragedy to our nation's
shores.  And anyone suggesting such a course of action should be met with
resistance equal to that which you call on us to muster against the forces
of terrorism.

	The day we sacrifice our liberties in the name of "security" is
the day that the terrorists' goals will have been achieved.  To reiterate
the wisdom of Benjamin Franklin, if we surrender our liberty in the name
of security, we shall have neither.

	It is unfortunate that it seemed necessary to compose this note
less than twelve hours after this day's attack, but it is every citizen's
duty to take every possible action to avert national disaster; especially
one in the making.

	Thank you for your valuable time.  It is my hope that the
perpetrators of this crime against the United States will be swiftly
brought to justice.  God bless America.

Sincerely,

Jay D. Dyson

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FROM: Paul Henry Smith
DATE: Thu 15:20
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rebuild, rebuild!!

Maybe so, but reports are that it's going to cost more than $20 billion just for NYC to recover, let alone build some huge office buildings.  How long would that take?  During all that time, there would be nothing there. 

The Beacon idea can be implemented NOW and can even stay on once (if) the towers are rebuilt.  It will send a clear image to the rest of the world that instead of a gaping hole marring our lives for a long time to come, we have strong, ascendant light:

  http://www.panix.com/~phs/beacon/

Paul

At 2:14 PM -0400 9/13/01, Mark Frieser wrote:
>Sorry guys, I don't agree.  The most fitting tribute to the dead is to
>rebuild them as before and have a memorial where the fountain was.
>
>To do anything less is to give in.
>
>Best,
>
>Mark
>
>
>On 13-09-2001 13:09, "Paul Henry Smith" <phs@...> wrote:
>
>> At 12:14 PM -0400 9/13/01, the nightboy wrote:
>>> I would be seriously surprised if they built anything there besides a
>>> monument to the people that died.  Who would want to work in an area where
>>> this catastrophe had happened.
>>
>> I agree.
>>
>> If we did not build on Fort Washington because 1,200 soldiers died there, we
>> surely ought not to build where tens of thousands were killed.
>>
>> Earlier I posted my idea for an IMMEDIATE, inexpensive and powerful memorial
> > "beacon."  Here are the illustrations:
> >
> >  http://www.panix.com/~phs/beacon/
> >
> > Paul


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FROM: Paul Henry Smith
DATE: Thu 15:22
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rebuild, rebuild!!

At 1:23 PM -0400 9/13/01, Patricia Tagle wrote:
>I would have no problem as well.  I think the greatest memorial to those
>people would be to show these terrorists that they did not win.  That these
>people did not die and leave America scared.

Until the BILLIONS of dollars needed to "show them they did not win" somehow materialize ... we can show them NOW with a powerful symbolic "replacement," the Beacon: http://www.panix.com/~phs/beacon/

Paul

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gilbert Midonnet
>To: wwwac@...
>Sent: 9/13/01 12:35 PM
>Subject: RE: [wwwac] Rebuild, rebuild!!
>
>I would have zero problem. There are some people that would never live
>on
>land that used to be a cemetery, and others who would have no problem.
>The
>same applies here. Add to that mix a little nationalism and bravado and
>you
>would have quite a few people willing to work there. Finally, if the job
>is
>there ... how many here would truly refuse a it because it was built on
>the
>same ground as the WTC?
>
>-- gilbert midonnet
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: the nightboy <mailto:brian@...>
>Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:14 PM
>To: Jen_Runne@... wwwac@...
>Subject: Re: [wwwac] Rebuild, rebuild!!
>
>
>I would be seriously surprised if they built anything there besides a
>monument to the people that died.  Who would want to work in an area
>where
>this catastrophe had happened.
>
>
> Brian Douglas  (:ub)
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FROM: Martin T. Focazio
DATE: Thu 15:21
SUBJ: [wwwac] Red Cross needs assistance....

I forwarded this to a friend in the IT department at AT&T yesterday 
and they have responded positively in terms of supplying an 
unspecified amount of this gear.

I'm trying to get the logistics of getting the gear from here to 
there all worked out.


At 10:52 AM -0400 09-13-2001, Jonathan Ezor wrote:
>
>
>
>They specifically need:
>40 IBM computers and laptops (with NICs)
>Monitors (with desktops)
>Any storage solutions
>25 10/100 hubs (8+ Ports)
>100 Cat5 cables (All lengths)
>50 power strips
>Any IBM-compatible memory
>Any 3Com wireless NIC cards and LAN products
>30 desktop-size UPSs
>15 LaserJet printers (HP 1100 or faster) and printer supplies
>20 external Zip drives and disks
>Any diskettes and R/W CDs
>5 external CD burners
>5 duplex document scanners
>25 extension cords
>any colored tie wraps
>any Velcro cable wraps
>50 Citrix client licenses
>12 PCMCIA LAN cards for IBM P20 ThinkPads, preferably 3Com (in addition to
>those in the new PCs)
>50 Microsoft Exchange CALs
>35 Microsoft SQL CALs
>50 Microsoft Office Professional licenses
>15 PC Anywhere licenses
>DSL lines
>PDAs with wireless capacity and service
>Nextel cellphones and service
>
>in addition to certified Citrix engineers and Microsoft consultants.
>
>Head on over here for more info:
>http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/showtell/story/0,23008,3347294,00.html






FROM: Brooklyn Linux Solutions
DATE: Thu 15:25
SUBJ: [wwwac] Please...

I've been threatened also for my Jewish roots, and we came here from Hebron
in the 1820's after half the family was killed by Arabs at that time.

The reasoning is that this is Israel's fault since we support her.


Ruben
____________________________

On 2001.09.13 14:26:43 -0400 John A. Federico wrote:
<Tap. Tap. Testing, is this thing on?>

The son of an executive of my wife's company, a person of arab heritage
whose entire family has been in the states for generations, has been
receiving threats of violence. I'm unsure of the magnitude of the threats,
but the members of this family are americans, without any more familial
ties
to the country of their heritage and don't deserve this treatment.

I want to see people pay for this as much as anyone and, yes, I've gotten a
little hotheaded over the whole thing. That being said, we can't lose site
of everything that we stand for.

These are good people who want to protect our way of life as much as the
rest of us. To start persecuting everyone just for their heritage will keep
this entire country spinning for years. Don't let it.

<John steps off soap box and tries to get his mind off this stuff for
awhile
by trying to get some work done...>

-jf.

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Andrew Gideon <mailto:ag797@...>
>Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:04 PM
>To: wwwac@...
>Subject: Re: [wwwac] Please...
>
>
>In article <F137ImPiZxOASWTgZu60000b93b@...>,
>	xanthusleo@... ("Jonathan Kopp") writes:
>
>> Don't kill and don't let hate consume you. That's the only real hope we
>> have.
>
>Agreed.
>
>I just spent some time with a fellow that's a bigot under the
>best of times.  Now, he's intolerable.  And he's known me long
>enough to take great care of what he says around me; what he's
>saying to others would have to be sanitized to reach the height
>of merely disgusting.
>
>Another person, who was an airborne witness to the second crash,
>has put up a "kill an arab a day" site.  Ah, thankfully he's
>taken that down.  Perhaps sanity is returning.  I hope so.
>
>But I heard on the radio this morning some congresscritter
>saying that we should just bomb "them all", and "not worry
>about collateral damage."
>
>These people scare me.  The terrorists can maim and kill people.
>But these people threaten what I consider to be our way of
>life.
>
>	- Andrew


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FROM: betsy wissinger
DATE: Thu 13:17
SUBJ: [wwwac] 2 penn plaza

yes, i heard on the news that there were several buildings being evacuated
in midtown, but then they shut up about it completely, there is no news
about it now. can anyone else inform on what is going on?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joanna Wissinger" <joanna@...>
To: <wwwac@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:52 AM
Subject: [wwwac] 2 penn plaza


> my husband, who works just down 7th ave. im'd me to say that 2 penn
> plaza, the building that's over Penn Sta and right next to MSG, looks
> like it's being evacuated.
> --
>
>
>
>
> Joanna Wissinger
> c 917 407 6825 im joannawnyc web http://joannaw.com
> content strategy/information architecture/competitive intelligence
> what is "ubiquitous platforms"? find out at http://www.joannaw.com/ubiq






FROM: Laura
DATE: Thu 15:29
SUBJ: [wwwac] Please...

These destructive acts of threats and violence against Americans of Middle
Eastern descent are just as senseless and inhumane as the terrorism our
nation experienced Tuesday morning. Please display compassion and
support=8Band stand proud next to your neighbors=8Bwhatever their heritage. The=
y
are Americans too! Peace be with you all.
____________________________
=3D=3D=3D  Laura O'Reilly

> From: "John A. Federico" <jaf@...>
> <Tap. Tap. Testing, is this thing on?>
>=20
> The son of an executive of my wife's company, a person of arab heritage
> whose entire family has been in the states for generations, has been
> receiving threats of violence. I'm unsure of the magnitude of the threats=
,
> but the members of this family are americans, without any more familial t=
ies
> to the country of their heritage and don't deserve this treatment.
>=20
> I want to see people pay for this as much as anyone and, yes, I've gotten=
 a
> little hotheaded over the whole thing. That being said, we can't lose sit=
e
> of everything that we stand for.
>=20
> These are good people who want to protect our way of life as much as the
> rest of us. To start persecuting everyone just for their heritage will ke=
ep
> this entire country spinning for years. Don't let it.
>=20
> <John steps off soap box and tries to get his mind off this stuff for awh=
ile
> by trying to get some work done...>

>> From: Andrew Gideon <mailto:ag797@...>
>> In article <F137ImPiZxOASWTgZu60000b93b@...>,
>> xanthusleo@... ("Jonathan Kopp") writes:
>>=20
>>> Don't kill and don't let hate consume you. That's the only real hope we
>>> have.
>>=20
>> Agreed.
>>=20
>> I just spent some time with a fellow that's a bigot under the
>> best of times.  Now, he's intolerable.  And he's known me long
>> enough to take great care of what he says around me; what he's
>> saying to others would have to be sanitized to reach the height
>> of merely disgusting.
>>=20
>> Another person, who was an airborne witness to the second crash,
>> has put up a "kill an arab a day" site.  Ah, thankfully he's
>> taken that down.  Perhaps sanity is returning.  I hope so.
>>=20
>> But I heard on the radio this morning some congresscritter
>> saying that we should just bomb "them all", and "not worry
>> about collateral damage."
>>=20
>> These people scare me.  The terrorists can maim and kill people.
>> But these people threaten what I consider to be our way of
>> life.






FROM: Paul Henry Smith
DATE: Thu 15:31
SUBJ: [wwwac] Icons to show solidarity

>here's some points i think you may have missed  when creating your symbol.

http://www.panix.com/~phs/support.html (copy and use freely)

>first, with all its power the pentagon couldn't even protect itself. so your
>"protection" concept is out of the window.

duh.  Hey, the wtc is gone, too, but it's in the symbol.  The point is intended to be somewhat poignant and a tinge ironic.

>second, let's not kid dourselves here. it's the pentagon's actions in the
>past that caused the terrorists to bomb the wtc and harm new yorkers.

Where have you been?   It was guys deciding of their own free will to drive the planes into buildings and kill people.

>innocent people died because of our millitary and politicians misguided
>policy around the world.

your notion of causality is far-fetched (to be nice).

How far can you stretch the chain of causality from "heart stopped beating" to "crushed by concrete" to "plane slammed into office" to ... you get the idea: you causal "event" is way, way up the chain, and thus less and less plausible.

>
>if you want a powerful solidarity symbol for millitary strength, put the
>stars and stripes on your site.

Hey, I just did not want to see another dumb ribbon!

>
>if you want  a solidarity symbol to represent everything that is new york
>city, the pain, the pride and all, i suggest we get ourselves five apples
>and give them to the next five person we see, and tell them to do the same.

That's an interesting idea, but it's hard to put on web pages and t-shirts!

>good idea though, keep it up.

Thanks.



-- 

____________________________________________________
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FROM: Virginia Pruitt
DATE: Thu 15:33
SUBJ: [wwwac] memorial

Just wanted to tell you that my colleague who is working as a volunteer on
ground zero said the round sculpture (in a fountain?) is still there.

In your designs you might want to honor that resiliency.

Virginia







FROM: Scott Wickham
DATE: Thu 12:39
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rebuild, rebuild!!


--- the nightboy <brian@...> wrote:
> >I would have no problem as well.  I think the
> greatest memorial to those
> >people would be to show these terrorists that they
> did not win.  That these
> >people did not die and leave America scared.
> >
> 
> 
> But they did.  I saw it with my own eyes. If you
> live in NYC as I do, you
> will notice that people are very edgy.  And it's not
> a," I am just pissed
> off thing."
> 
> 
>  Brian Douglas  (:ub) 

Serious question, are you a native New Yorkers.
Because in my experience the Natives are Just really
pissed.

Non native New Yorkers seem much more introspective
and scared.




=====
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74th st,201w apt#14K  Huge 1 Bedroom apt 
Check it out  http://www.webnyc.com    
for Sale by owner

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FROM: Kevin Ashworth
DATE: Thu 15:39
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rebuild, rebuild!!

Rebuilding has its merits.  So does a memorial.  But replicas and
memorials are not always forward thinking.

What about saying, "Hey, there's this large piece of lower Manhattan
waiting to be developed.  Okay, architects, go design something great.
Not based on the original WTC design in height or scale, not a memorial.
Something that will be great for the year 2002 and beyond.  Start with a
clean slate."  Our current needs might dictate 20 stories or 200, but it
could be based on our present society, and not related to the original.
Moving forward might be the best 'American' thing to do, as opposed to
looking back.  I could be wrong, but thought it worth mentioning.







FROM: Mark Frieser
DATE: Thu 15:40
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rebuild, rebuild!!

Well, its unfortunate that you are shell shocked and that you feel the best
course is inaction, but I don't.

I live in NYC too, my area is locked down (the UN) and I have a lot of
friends that were caught in this thing and a lot of them that are down in
the rubble getting people out, but I cannot allow myself to scared.  We have
to fight back.



On 13-09-2001 14:39, "the nightboy" <brian@...> wrote:

>> I would have no problem as well.  I think the greatest memorial to those
>> people would be to show these terrorists that they did not win.  That these
>> people did not die and leave America scared.
>> 
> 
> 
> But they did.  I saw it with my own eyes. If you live in NYC as I do, you
> will notice that people are very edgy.  And it's not a," I am just pissed
> off thing."
> 
> 
> Brian Douglas  (:ub)
> ============================================================================






FROM: Shirley, Scott
DATE: Thu 14:46
SUBJ: [wwwac] 5 firefighers

Just heard that they didn't suspend rescue efforts.  They just repositioned
them out of harm's way.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Ellis <mailto:rickontv@...>
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:17 PM
> To: SShirley@... wwwac@...
> Subject: RE: [wwwac] 5 firefighers
> 
> 
> 
> >They are also still receiving phone calls and pages from 
> people trapped
> >under the rubble.
> >
> >In other news, it looks like the World Financial Center (or 
> AMEX building?)
> >is about to collapse.  The rescue workers had to pull out.
> >
> 
> Well, it sounds as if at least two of the fireman had been 
> trapped late last 
> night or this morning, instead of during the building collapse.
> 
> World Financial apparently has structural damage on the top 
> five floors, 
> although no one seems to have a clear sense of the damage--or 
> at least, not 
> anyone who is speaking to the press.
> 
> Rick Ellis
> www.allyourtv.com
> 
> _________________________________________________________________
> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at 
> http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
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FROM: Gerard McGovern
DATE: Thu 20:50
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rumor: Whitney Houston is dead...

> Just heard an UNCONFIRMED rumor that Whitney Houston died of a drug=20
> overdose this morning - Anyone else hear anything?

I've heard a similar rumour but I can't find a backup source for it.
CNN, ABC, Ananova, BBC etc .. nothing. But then again, why would they?
In terms of the global issue, it's not headline news.

G

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FROM: David Choi
DATE: Thu 15:51
SUBJ: [wwwac] KILL IGNORANCE

goes to show how ignorant so many americans are.  this lack of
education, connection with reality is our deepest malaise... what kind
of trash is being bred here in america?

http://www.msnbc.com/news/627565_asp.htm

and btw, has anyone heard a statement from everyone's favorite guy
(CLINTON)??  i'd be interested in what he has to say about all of this.





FROM: hens
DATE: Thu 15:54
SUBJ: [wwwac] javascript question

On 9/13/01 at 8:20 AM -0400, Gilbert Midonnet wrote:

> my brain is fried and i'm working on autopilot
>
> i have two body onloads and I can't both to work.
>
> uh ... what are my troubleshooting steps?


You can have only one "onLoad" handler. If you need to execute more than
one action, consider wrapping these actions in a function, that you can
then call from the onLoad handler.

Or if it's shorter, separate each action in the onLoad handler with a
semicolon.

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FROM: Adam Fialkov
DATE: Thu 12:55
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rumor: Whitney Houston is dead...

No.

http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,8819,00.html

--





-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Shankman <mailto:peter@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 2:54 PM
To: Small Shop List; youngprpros@... wwwac@...
Subject: [wwwac] Rumor: Whitney Houston is dead...


All:

Just heard an UNCONFIRMED rumor that Whitney Houston died of a drug
overdose this morning - Anyone else hear anything?

-Peter


Peter Shankman
peter@...
www.shankman.com

"While the storm clouds gather far across the sea,
Let us swear allegiance to a land that's free,
Let us all be grateful for a land so fair,
As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer."






FROM: Jessica Elkin
DATE: Thu 12:55
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rumor: Whitney Houston is dead...


The long answer can be found here:
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/eo/20010913/en/publicist_whitney_s_not_dead_1.html

The short answer: No. She's not dead.

~Jessie
>--- Original Message ---
>From: Peter Shankman <peter@...>
>To: Small Shop List <smallshoppragency@...>, youngprpros@...
wwwac@...
>Date: 9/13/01 5:53:40 PM
>

>All:
>
>Just heard an UNCONFIRMED rumor that Whitney Houston died of
a drug 
>overdose this morning - Anyone else hear anything?
>
>-Peter
>
>
>Peter Shankman
>peter@...
>www.shankman.com
>
>"While the storm clouds gather far across the sea,
>Let us swear allegiance to a land that's free,
>Let us all be grateful for a land so fair,
>As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer."







FROM: Phillip Knowlton
DATE: Thu 12:54
SUBJ: [wwwac] Steve Masur's OK!

thanks!....we're *very relived to hear news like this!
we keep watching the web for helpful updates

btw..

http://www.craigslist.org/vigil.html

were all with you,and keeping you close




> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Ponce <mailto:bob@...>
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:44 AM
> To: board@... wwwac@... nielsen@...
> Subject: [wwwac] Steve Masur's OK!
>
>
> Just got word from someone who spoke to Steve Masur by phone-- he and all
> his office staff are OK -- more details to follow
>
> Bob Ponce
> Stationmaster
> Silicon Alley Station
> http://siliconalley.net
> bob@...
> 212 926 1312






FROM: daniel vena
DATE: Thu 15:58
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rumor: Whitney Houston is dead...

it's false.

--
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Shankman" <peter@...>
To: "Small Shop List" <smallshoppragency@...>;
<youngprpros@...>; <wwwac@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 5:53 PM
Subject: [wwwac] Rumor: Whitney Houston is dead...


> All:
>
> Just heard an UNCONFIRMED rumor that Whitney Houston died of a drug
> overdose this morning - Anyone else hear anything?
>
> -Peter
>
>
> Peter Shankman
> peter@...
> www.shankman.com
>
> "While the storm clouds gather far across the sea,
> Let us swear allegiance to a land that's free,
> Let us all be grateful for a land so fair,
> As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer."







FROM: Joanna Wissinger
DATE: Thu 15:01
SUBJ: [wwwac] Fwd: New York postcard

>From: "Mann, Paul" <paul@...>

my husband sent this to his family & friends in england.

>Round the corner from our office near Madison Square Garden is a fire
>station. This morning a fire engine is parked on the street that is
>obviously a veteran of the World Trade Center attacks. As you come up the
>street you notice what appears to be a grey, not red, ladder truck, the
>ladder raised and from it flying a Stars and Stripes. As you get up to it
>from behind you see that all along the sides people have written messages
>with their fingers in the dust: "We love you", "You are the bravest" and
>countless more covering every square foot. Then you get to the front of the
>truck and you see that there is no glass in the cab. And then you see an
>easel on which is propped a piece of card from the office supplies shop next
>door. Onto it are taped photos of seven or eight firemen in and out of
>uniform and the legend written in black marker, "Rest in peace our
>brothers." The front of the firetruck is filling up with bouquets of
>flowers. Everyone who saw it turned away in tears.


-- 




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FROM: Bailey, Christopher
DATE: Thu 16:06
SUBJ: [wwwac] web resources for missing persons during this tragedy

All

I have a colleague who has a missing friend.  She had asked if I had been
made aware of any resources where she might be able to post a photo and/or
description of her friend.  I suggested the following:

http://home.nyc.gov/find.html
http://worldtradeaftermath.com/wta/okay/
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/12/national/WTC-NAVIGATOR.html?pagewanted=all
#emergency

If anyone has any others that they might know of, please let me know OFF
LIST.  (In the event that someone has an e-mail lying around that may have a
collection and I've discarded it, please forgive me and please forward it
along to me.

I will make a comprehensive list and submit it to worldtradeaftermath.com
and will make it available to anyone looking for this information off list.

Many thanks in advance,
Christopher

Christopher Bailey
Assistant Vice President
Interactive Media Technology
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FROM: Paul Henry Smith
DATE: Thu 16:12
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rebuild, rebuild!!

At 2:58 PM -0400 9/13/01, jdaly wrote:
>Paul,
>
>My first reaction to the New Jersey illustration was of images of WW II London, floodlights
>and anti-aircraft guns. Not the desired effect, for me.

I understand. These lights would not be moving around.  They would look like "ghost" WTC towers extending far up into the sky.  However, the evocation of wartime could not be avoided, nor should it be.  At the same time, the WTC beacons also evoke a spiritual ascendance and beauty.

The need for lower Manhattan to become mundane and worldly again may, indeed, emerge.  But the Beacons do NOT have to be construed as an alternative to rebuilding.  They can co-exist with whatever building may be built.

My question is ... do we want the world-wide media to be showing pictures of the sad scene of rubble, death and destruction for months to come (reminding the terrorists and supporters of their "victory" over and over), or do we want to QUICKLY and INEXPENSIVELY transform what is already being referred to as a "scar" into a moving, almostly ghostly symbol of hope and resilience unlike any in the world:

  http://www.panix.com/~phs/beacon/

Sure, let's re-build ... at a cost of billions ... and over many YEARS (but it will happen).  In the meantime, we can install the beacons now and amaze the world. 

If you'd like to help make the WTC memorial beacons become a reality (not _instead_ of rebuilding, but as a prelude to it), please send a note to Senator Clinton here:

 http://clinton.senate.gov/email_form.html

Thanks!


Paul

>I completely believe we should rebuild these structures at least to their former size and
>grandeur, but with a financial center, cultural center and memorial.  I don't want
>terrorists and the threat of terror dictating how we should shape the NYC skyline.
>Also, there are communities thoroughly dependent on the World Financial Center - Battery
>Park, for instance.  A lot of people will leave if there are not some ambitious and
>worthy recovery plans drawn up, and as soon as we get over the shock of this.
>
>JD
>
>>
>> At 12:14 PM -0400 9/13/01, the nightboy wrote:
>> >I would be seriously surprised if they built anything there besides a
>> >monument to the people that died.  Who would want to work in an area where
>> >this catastrophe had happened.
>>
>> I agree.
>>
>> If we did not build on Fort Washington because 1,200 soldiers died there, we surely ought not to build where tens of thousands were killed.
>>
>> Earlier I posted my idea for an IMMEDIATE, inexpensive and powerful memorial "beacon."  Here are the illustrations:
>>
>>    http://www.panix.com/~phs/beacon/
>>
>> Paul
>> --
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FROM: B.K. DeLong
DATE: Thu 16:17
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rumor: Whitney Houston is dead... NO

At 02:53 PM 09/13/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>Just heard an UNCONFIRMED rumor that Whitney Houston died of a drug 
>overdose this morning - Anyone else hear anything?

I know you've seen this...but for everyone else:
http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,8819,00.html


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FROM: Janet Driscoll
DATE: Thu 14:17
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rumor: Whitney Houston is NOT dead...

Not dead. Here's her publicist's release:

http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,8819,00.html

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Shankman <mailto:peter@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:54 PM
To: Small Shop List; youngprpros@... wwwac@...
Subject: [wwwac] Rumor: Whitney Houston is dead...

All:

Just heard an UNCONFIRMED rumor that Whitney Houston died of a drug
overdose this morning - Anyone else hear anything?

-Peter


Peter Shankman
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Let us swear allegiance to a land that's free,
Let us all be grateful for a land so fair,
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FROM: Kim B. Foglia
DATE: Thu 16:14
SUBJ: [wwwac] Red Cross donations through Amazon

I came across this while doing some browsing; Amazon is collecting 
donations for the Red Cross through their Web site.

http://www.amazon.com/red-cross


Kim B. Foglia
Chief Creative Officer
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FROM: Phillip Knowlton
DATE: Thu 13:14
SUBJ: [wwwac] Steve Masur's OK!

reposted



> thanks!....we're *very relived to hear news like this!
> we keep watching the web for helpful updates
> 
> btw..
> 
> http://www.craigslist.org/vigil.html
> 
> were all with you,and keeping you close
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bob Ponce <mailto:bob@...>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:44 AM
> > To: board@... wwwac@... nielsen@...
> > Subject: [wwwac] Steve Masur's OK!
> > 
> > 
> > Just got word from someone who spoke to Steve Masur by phone-- 
> he and all 
> > his office staff are OK -- more details to follow
> > 
> > Bob Ponce
> > Stationmaster
> > Silicon Alley Station
> > http://siliconalley.net
> > bob@...
> > 212 926 1312





FROM: 
DATE: Thu 16:18
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rebuild then now

Rebuild the towers twice as high and make four of them!





FROM: Jennifer Lash
DATE: Thu 11:57
SUBJ: [wwwac] volunteering

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 Just to let you know, that I went to the Javitz Center earlier today.  They have all the general volunteers they need today.  However, they are taking names and numbers for future help, after all this is going to take a very very long time.  They are also taking Union Constrution people to help with the rubble and any medical personel.  These are all different lines, so please ask someone before you get on line. :)
Jen
  carole guevin <carole@...> wrote: thanks Eric for the update - so I guess all those who have previously asked
to relay info about this will now head out - can somebody please give me the
exact address and a phone number of the Javitz Center so I can post it
immediately on netdiver.net!

> I just spoke to a woman at the NY State Emergency Mgmt. Center.
> I registered
> with them to help, and she said that she heard that volunteers
> should go over
> at the Javitz Center. I'm headed over there in a little while.

carole



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FROM: Serva
DATE: Thu 13:22
SUBJ: [wwwac] Whitney Houston lives...

This according to her publicist...She is alive and well...Doesn't know why
all the rumors have been flying but apparently it's because she was a
no-show for her second appearance at the Michael Jackson concert...
Okay donkey
Sandy






FROM: Shirley, Scott
DATE: Thu 15:28
SUBJ: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel

This thread strikes me as odd.

What if the pilot had to go to the bathroom?  Or needed some water?  Or need
medical attention?

I know that the thousands killed this week is a huge number, but it would
pale in comparison to the number of deaths that would result if we just
destroyed any commercial aircraft that displayed any strange characteristics
in flight.  In some ways, numbers aren't really relevant.

In a way it demeans the value of life by trading it in so easily.  In the
case of the PA flight, it seems likely that the passengers on that plane
made a conscious decision to kill themselves and the terrorists rather than
kill others.  But that was their choice.

To give your own life for another is a heroic sacrifice.  To kill someone to
spare ourselves or people we are more familiar with is just selfish.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Wickham <mailto:nylscottw@...>
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:15 PM
> To: Peter Shankman; Duane Douglas
> Cc: wwwac@...
> Subject: RE: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel
> 
> 
> Make it easier.
> 
> door can't be opened. If it is plane goes to auto
> pilot and ditches in nearest ocean of lake.
> 
> Personally I would just have it explode. 
> 
> 
> --- Peter Shankman <peter@...> wrote:
> > Duane: I've already said it - The pilots don't open
> > the door at ANY COST.
> > 
> > It's like the people who control the Nukes - They
> > know if they get the 
> > order, they have to turn that key, regardless of how
> > many people they KNOW 
> > they're going to kill. Does it suck? Yes. But would
> > it prevent 10,000 
> > people from being killed? Probably.
> > 
> > -Peter
> > 
> > At 11:29 AM 9/13/01 -0400, you wrote:
> > >terrorist: "i'll start executing people if you
> > don't open the cockpit door!"
> > >crew:  "ok. ok.  we'll open the door!"
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Peter Shankman
> > peter@...
> > www.shankman.com
> > 
> > "While the storm clouds gather far across the sea,
> > Let us swear allegiance to a land that's free,
> > Let us all be grateful for a land so fair,
> > As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer."
> =====
> Scott Wickham
> 
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FROM: Joanna Wissinger
DATE: Thu 15:35
SUBJ: [wwwac] more on the asbestos risk

fuck. mesothelioma is what my dad has. it's horrible. and it's true 
you don't need much exposure to develop it. generally it takes up to 
30 years to appear. There is no treatment for it, except removal of 
the affected lung, pleurum, pericaridium and diaphragm. it's brutal, 
brutal surgery. not to mention very expensive.

but then I guess we could all sue the port authority to pay our 
medical bills in 30 years.


At 11:30 AM -0400 9/13/01, Scott Bowling wrote:
>(from another list)
>[snip]The WTC was the LAST big building in the US to use blow-on asbestos
>insulation to protect the steel beams from fire's heat. The asbestos
>type specified for this purpose is chrysotile ("white" asbestos). This
>type is generally believed to be no more dangerous than any other fiber
>(the fiber in fiber glass, for instance). But crocidolite, another form
>of asbestos ("blue" asbestos) contaminates chrysotile in most asbestos
>deposits, and it has been known for 30 years that the asbestos used in
>the WTC has a lot of it. This stuff is now blown all over lower
>Manhattan. Crocidolite is a carcinogen, considered a POTENT carcinogen
>by many. (Mt. Sinai in Manhattan has long had a good research team on
>this issue.) There are plenty of documented cases of shipyard workers
>getting mesothelioma (a cancer of the chest lining, unique to asbestos)
>after only a few weeks' exposure to croc. Smoking raising the risk
>drastically. Almost 100% of all asbestos workers in the 60s and 70s who
>smoked  have died of mesothelioma.


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FROM: Silicon Alley Station
DATE: Thu 16:36
SUBJ: [wwwac] Please...

I'm really tired and suspicious of this same copy and paste answer. Is this
emailer legit?

dolly
----- Original Message -----
From: "Laura" <laura@...>
To: <wwwac@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: [wwwac] Please...


These destructive acts of threats and violence against Americans of Middle
Eastern descent are just as senseless and inhumane as the terrorism our
nation experienced Tuesday morning. Please display compassion and
support are Americans too! Peace be with you all.
____________________________
===  Laura O'Reilly

> From: "John A. Federico" <jaf@...>
> <Tap. Tap. Testing, is this thing on?>
>
> The son of an executive of my wife's company, a person of arab heritage
> whose entire family has been in the states for generations, has been
> receiving threats of violence. I'm unsure of the magnitude of the threats,
> but the members of this family are americans, without any more familial
ties
> to the country of their heritage and don't deserve this treatment.
>
> I want to see people pay for this as much as anyone and, yes, I've gotten
a
> little hotheaded over the whole thing. That being said, we can't lose site
> of everything that we stand for.
>
> These are good people who want to protect our way of life as much as the
> rest of us. To start persecuting everyone just for their heritage will
keep
> this entire country spinning for years. Don't let it.
>
> <John steps off soap box and tries to get his mind off this stuff for
awhile
> by trying to get some work done...>

>> From: Andrew Gideon <mailto:ag797@...>
>> In article <F137ImPiZxOASWTgZu60000b93b@...>,
>> xanthusleo@... ("Jonathan Kopp") writes:
>>
>>> Don't kill and don't let hate consume you. That's the only real hope we
>>> have.
>>
>> Agreed.
>>
>> I just spent some time with a fellow that's a bigot under the
>> best of times.  Now, he's intolerable.  And he's known me long
>> enough to take great care of what he says around me; what he's
>> saying to others would have to be sanitized to reach the height
>> of merely disgusting.
>>
>> Another person, who was an airborne witness to the second crash,
>> has put up a "kill an arab a day" site.  Ah, thankfully he's
>> taken that down.  Perhaps sanity is returning.  I hope so.
>>
>> But I heard on the radio this morning some congresscritter
>> saying that we should just bomb "them all", and "not worry
>> about collateral damage."
>>
>> These people scare me.  The terrorists can maim and kill people.
>> But these people threaten what I consider to be our way of
>> life.







FROM: Chris Valley
DATE: Thu 13:27
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rumor: Whitney Houston is dead...

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 http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,8819,00.html
  Peter Shankman <peter@...> wrote: All:

Just heard an UNCONFIRMED rumor that Whitney Houston died of a drug 
overdose this morning - Anyone else hear anything?

-Peter


Peter Shankman
peter@...
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Let us swear allegiance to a land that's free,
Let us all be grateful for a land so fair,
As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer."



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FROM: Joanna Wissinger
DATE: Thu 15:26
SUBJ: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel

At 10:55 AM -0400 9/13/01, Amita Guha wrote:

>
>Am I the only person here who is completely terrified
>of getting on a plane again? Reply off list if you
>want to talk....


I'm not. but then I am famous for my apparent calm (it's really lack 
of effect, but whatever).
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FROM: Paul Henry Smith
DATE: Thu 16:42
SUBJ: [wwwac] memorial

At 3:33 PM -0400 9/13/01, Virginia Pruitt wrote:
>Just wanted to tell you that my colleague who is working as a volunteer on
>ground zero said the round sculpture (in a fountain?) is still there.
>
>In your designs you might want to honor that resiliency.
>
>Virginia

Thanks for that.  I'll include it somehow as I refine the idea.

Paul


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FROM: Chris Valley
DATE: Thu 13:26
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rumor: Whitney Houston is dead...

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 http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,8819,00.html
  Peter Shankman <peter@...> wrote: All:

Just heard an UNCONFIRMED rumor that Whitney Houston died of a drug 
overdose this morning - Anyone else hear anything?

-Peter


Peter Shankman
peter@...
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Let us swear allegiance to a land that's free,
Let us all be grateful for a land so fair,
As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer."



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FROM: Steve Sloan
DATE: Thu 16:44
SUBJ: [wwwac] 2 penn plaza


> -----Original Message-----
> From: betsy wissinger <mailto:wetsybiss@...>
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:18 PM
> To: wwwac@... Joanna Wissinger
> Subject: Re: [wwwac] 2 penn plaza
>
>
> yes, i heard on the news that there were several buildings
> being evacuated
> in midtown, but then they shut up about it completely, there
> is no news
> about it now. can anyone else inform on what is going on?
>

Unfortunately, there's a type of person in this world who thinks that
phoning in a bomb threat is something that will amuse/entertain/get him
attention/etc.  They seem to come out of the woodwork after a tragedy such
as this (not that there's ever been a tragedy as enormous as this before).
Under ordinary circumstances, the police will bring in bomb sniffing dogs
and sweep the building.  But these are not ordinary circumstances, as I'm
sure we'll all agree.  So in the interests of safety, these buildings are
being evacuated.  I believe that every one that's been evacuated in recent
days has quickly been reoccupied.

And before all you *experts* jump down my throat, let me say that my sources
for the above info were the informed opinions of several cops, ex-cops, FBI
agents and even a Secret Service agent whom I am either related to, friends
of or drink with.  Me, I'm just an old computer programmer.


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FROM: Steve Sloan
DATE: Thu 16:46
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rebuild, rebuild!!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Wickham <mailto:nylscottw@...>
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:39 PM
> To: the nightboy; wwwac@...
> Subject: RE: [wwwac] Rebuild, rebuild!!
>
>

[...]

> >
> >
> > But they did.  I saw it with my own eyes. If you
> > live in NYC as I do, you
> > will notice that people are very edgy.  And it's not
> > a," I am just pissed
> > off thing."
> >
> >
> >  Brian Douglas  (:ub)
>
> Serious question, are you a native New Yorkers.
> Because in my experience the Natives are Just really
> pissed.
>
> Non native New Yorkers seem much more introspective
> and scared.
>
>

Yo!  Fuckin' A!  I was born in Brooklyn and, know what? -- I'm really,
really pissed.

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FROM: hens
DATE: Thu 16:51
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rebuild, rebuild!!

What should be built there should be the tallest building(s) in the world.
Nothing less.


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FROM: David Choi
DATE: Thu 16:55
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rumor: Whitney Houston is dead...

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/eo/20010913/en/publicist_whitney_s_not_dead
_1.html

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerard McGovern <mailto:stuff@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:51 PM
To: 'Peter Shankman'; wwwac@...
Subject: RE: [wwwac] Rumor: Whitney Houston is dead...


> Just heard an UNCONFIRMED rumor that Whitney Houston died of a drug=20
> overdose this morning - Anyone else hear anything?

I've heard a similar rumour but I can't find a backup source for it.
CNN, ABC, Ananova, BBC etc .. nothing. But then again, why would they?
In terms of the global issue, it's not headline news.

G

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FROM: Massiha, Mandana
DATE: Thu 16:58
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rumor: Whitney Houston is dead...

She's not dead. Her publicist denies the rumors. Check Eonline.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerard McGovern <mailto:stuff@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:51 PM
To: 'Peter Shankman'; wwwac@...
Subject: RE: [wwwac] Rumor: Whitney Houston is dead...


> Just heard an UNCONFIRMED rumor that Whitney Houston died of a drug=20
> overdose this morning - Anyone else hear anything?

I've heard a similar rumour but I can't find a backup source for it.
CNN, ABC, Ananova, BBC etc .. nothing. But then again, why would they?
In terms of the global issue, it's not headline news.

G

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FROM: Janet Driscoll
DATE: Thu 14:59
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rumor: Whitney Houston is dead...

Not dead.
http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,8819,00.html

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerard McGovern <mailto:stuff@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:51 PM
To: 'Peter Shankman'; wwwac@...
Subject: RE: [wwwac] Rumor: Whitney Houston is dead...

> Just heard an UNCONFIRMED rumor that Whitney Houston died of a drug
> overdose this morning - Anyone else hear anything?

I've heard a similar rumour but I can't find a backup source for it.
CNN, ABC, Ananova, BBC etc .. nothing. But then again, why would they?
In terms of the global issue, it's not headline news.

G

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FROM: Scott Wickham
DATE: Thu 13:59
SUBJ: [wwwac] DMCA for Hardware coming soon

http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5096838,00.html

=====
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FROM: 
DATE: Thu 16:58
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rumor: Whitney Houston is dead...

In a message dated 9/13/01 4:53:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
stuff@... writes:

<< 've heard a similar rumour but I can't find a backup source for it.
 CNN, ABC, Ananova, BBC etc .. nothing. But then again, why would they?
 In terms of the global issue, it's not headline news.
 
 G >>
E! just reported that this rumor is untrue: 
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/eo/20010913/en/publicist_whitney_s_not_dead_1.htm
l





FROM: hens
DATE: Thu 17:02
SUBJ: [wwwac] KILL IGNORANCE

On 9/13/01 at 3:51 PM -0400, David Choi wrote:

> and btw, has anyone heard a statement from everyone's favorite guy
> (CLINTON)??  i'd be interested in what he has to say about all of this.

That's what I'd like to know too! Where's Bill? We need Bill.




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FROM: shea
DATE: Thu 17:07
SUBJ: [wwwac] Quick iTunes Question...


is it possible to save an MP3 Stream to disk/harddrive using iTunes?

if not, do you know which app allows for this? i am SURE i uased one on the
past that let you do this...

thanks,

shea






FROM: Francis Hwang
DATE: Thu 16:38
SUBJ: [wwwac] blind nationalism

Piri Miller wrote:

>As the Arab nations harbor terrorist training grounds, terrorists, and no
>small amount of hatred of Americans, is it really RACISM to fear them?

Piri, do you know for a fact that _all_ Arab nations are directly 
involved in supporting terrorism? Let's make a list of all Arab 
nations -- off the top of my head I can think of:

-Afghanistan
-Iran
-Iraq
-the United Arab Emirates
-Saudi Arabia
-Kuwait
-Jordan
-Syria
-Egypt
-Lebanon

(I'm sure I'm forgetting a few.)

Some of these countries definitely do harbor terrorists. But for some 
of these, we have no reason to believe they harbor terrorists. In 
fact, some of these are quite friendly to the U.S. -- Egypt and Saudi 
Arabia among them.

If you are privy to some information that might possibly implicate 
each and every Arab nation in assisting terrorism, we'd all be 
interested to hear it. Otherwise, please don't let your 
understandable outrage goad you into making unsupportable 
generalizations.

Francis
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FROM: Phil-Nicola
DATE: Thu 17:11
SUBJ: [wwwac] 5 firefighers

on 9/13/01 2:05 PM, Barbara Kopeloff at BKopeloff@... wrote:

> 5 firefighters were found alive in an SUV covered in rubble! 2 stepped out
> of the SUV on their own. Amazing Thank God. Lets hope for more


this did not happen. false info.


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FROM: Scott Wickham
DATE: Thu 14:16
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rebuild, rebuild!!

the only real downside to this plan is that beacons
bright enough to make a statement would be a nusance
to the neighboors. I stayed at the millium hilton in
June I know my wife wouldn't have been able to sleep
with these bright lights outside.



--- Paul Henry Smith <phs@...> wrote:
> At 2:58 PM -0400 9/13/01, jdaly wrote:
> >Paul,
> >
> >My first reaction to the New Jersey illustration
> was of images of WW II London, floodlights
> >and anti-aircraft guns. Not the desired effect, for
> me.
> 
> I understand. These lights would not be moving
> around.  They would look like "ghost" WTC towers
> extending far up into the sky.  However, the
> evocation of wartime could not be avoided, nor
> should it be.  At the same time, the WTC beacons
> also evoke a spiritual ascendance and beauty.
> 
> The need for lower Manhattan to become mundane and
> worldly again may, indeed, emerge.  But the Beacons
> do NOT have to be construed as an alternative to
> rebuilding.  They can co-exist with whatever
> building may be built.
> 
> My question is ... do we want the world-wide media
> to be showing pictures of the sad scene of rubble,
> death and destruction for months to come (reminding
> the terrorists and supporters of their "victory"
> over and over), or do we want to QUICKLY and
> INEXPENSIVELY transform what is already being
> referred to as a "scar" into a moving, almostly
> ghostly symbol of hope and resilience unlike any in
> the world:
> 
>   http://www.panix.com/~phs/beacon/
> 
> Sure, let's re-build ... at a cost of billions ...
> and over many YEARS (but it will happen).  In the
> meantime, we can install the beacons now and amaze
> the world. 
> 
> If you'd like to help make the WTC memorial beacons
> become a reality (not _instead_ of rebuilding, but
> as a prelude to it), please send a note to Senator
> Clinton here:
> 
>  http://clinton.senate.gov/email_form.html
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> Paul
> 
> >I completely believe we should rebuild these
> structures at least to their former size and
> >grandeur, but with a financial center, cultural
> center and memorial.  I don't want
> >terrorists and the threat of terror dictating how
> we should shape the NYC skyline.
> >Also, there are communities thoroughly dependent on
> the World Financial Center - Battery
> >Park, for instance.  A lot of people will leave if
> there are not some ambitious and
> >worthy recovery plans drawn up, and as soon as we
> get over the shock of this.
> >
> >JD
> >
> >>
> >> At 12:14 PM -0400 9/13/01, the nightboy wrote:
> >> >I would be seriously surprised if they built
> anything there besides a
> >> >monument to the people that died.  Who would
> want to work in an area where
> >> >this catastrophe had happened.
> >>
> >> I agree.
> >>
> >> If we did not build on Fort Washington because
> 1,200 soldiers died there, we surely ought not to
> build where tens of thousands were killed.
> >>
> >> Earlier I posted my idea for an IMMEDIATE,
> inexpensive and powerful memorial "beacon."  Here
> are the illustrations:
> >>
> >>    http://www.panix.com/~phs/beacon/
> >>
> >> Paul
> >> --
> >>
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> ____________________________________________________
> phs@...              http://www.panix.com/~phs


=====
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FROM: James Hancock
DATE: Thu 17:18
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rebuild, rebuild!!

Frank Lloyd Wright proposed a "Mile High" Illinois Tower in 1959.  When we
rebuild -- it would seem a fitting tribute and an appropriate statement to
me.

J.


http://www.primenet.com/~byoder/flwill.jpg

http://www.povray.org/preview/irtc-cd3/stills/19980228/view/milehigh.htm




-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Frieser <mailto:mark@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:40 PM
To: the nightboy; wwwac@...
Subject: Re: [wwwac] Rebuild, rebuild!!


Well, its unfortunate that you are shell shocked and that you feel the best
course is inaction, but I don't.

I live in NYC too, my area is locked down (the UN) and I have a lot of
friends that were caught in this thing and a lot of them that are down in
the rubble getting people out, but I cannot allow myself to scared.  We have
to fight back.



On 13-09-2001 14:39, "the nightboy" <brian@...> wrote:

>> I would have no problem as well.  I think the greatest memorial to those
>> people would be to show these terrorists that they did not win.  That
these
>> people did not die and leave America scared.
>> 
> 
> 
> But they did.  I saw it with my own eyes. If you live in NYC as I do, you
> will notice that people are very edgy.  And it's not a," I am just pissed
> off thing."
> 
> 
> Brian Douglas  (:ub)
>
============================================================================






FROM: Nathaniel R. Merriam
DATE: Thu 17:20
SUBJ: [wwwac] "Un-do" a dual-boot system?


If you just install win2k over ME, it'll become the default boot OS. From
there, you can go to control panel > system to "startup and recovery" and
get rid of the list of OSes on boot.

Or just edit boot.ini if you prefer (it's a hidden system file in the c:\
root directory)

At that point you can delete the old windows directories from the smaller
drive and move data over. But if you plan on removing the old small drive,
be aware that that's still where the boot sectors are, so don't do that
unless you switch the bigger drive to be active with fdisk, boot from a
floppy, and THEN install win2k (so it'll put all the boot data on the new
drive). Switching boot drives after NT systems are already installed is a
black art so i don't recommend it.

I know what you mean by "doing something". I've been building a new AMD
system in the evenings to take my mind off things. We had been expecting
hundreds of patients from the Pentagon to be coming into our hospital but
haven't gotten anyone beyond 32 the first day. Everyone else coming out is
already gone...

Nathaniel

>
> I need to "do something" to get my mind off this for a bit, so I'm
> starting simple.
>
> Is there an "easy" way to do this? I'd love to be able to upgrade the OS
> on the WinME side (it's the much larger hard drive) to Win2K and then be
> able to access the now "old" Win2K drive and simply copy the data over
> from that drive.






FROM: Scott Wickham
DATE: Thu 14:25
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rebuild then now

come on you know size doesn't matter.

what they really want is it wider ;)

--- Klarkvent@... wrote:
> Rebuild the towers twice as high and make four of
> them!


=====
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FROM: 
DATE: Thu 16:25
SUBJ: [wwwac] Cantor Fitzgerald update


That's very bad, and what I've feared.

If you do hear anything, please let me know. 

On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Rick Ellis wrote:

> 
> Cantor Fitzgerald reportedly hopes to have an updated list tomorrow. But 
> people I have spoken with say that so far, they have not tracked down any 
> survivors who were on floors 101-105 when the plane hit.
> 
> Rick Ellis
> www.allyourtv.com
> 407-856-2584
> 
> ******************************************************
> 
> Cantor, eSpeed, and TradeSpark employs approximately 1000 people on the 
> 101,103,104,105 floors of One World Trade Center.
> Our first priority is identifying the whereabouts of our employees.
> 
> Currently we are maintaining and verifying a list of "safe and accounted for 
> individuals" which is updated hourly.
> 
> The company is operating 3 call centers:
> 1-866-326-3188 (open 24 hours)
> 1-212-309-4150 (open daily 9am - 9pm NY Time)
> 011 2078943712 (open daily 9am - 12am UK Time)
> 
> There are currently 300 people on our "safe and accounted for list".
> 
> These names have not yet been confirmed. Cantor is currently in the process 
> of validating each name below. We are doing everything possible to verify 
> this list and will be endeavoring to publish an accurate list by end of day 
> tomorrow.
> Alex, Albin
> Alvelez, James
> Anaya, Alex
> Anjum, Khizar
> Arbeeny, Gene
> Aviles, James
> Bajatti, Raj
> Balelluguri, Pavn
> Barrero, Flober
> Barrow, Sean
> Bartoli, John
> Baudanza, Ron
> Becker, Helen
> Beepath, Rosemary
> Bell, Jeremy
> Bellows, David
> Belova, Bella
> Berman, Richard
> Bernardo, Shawn
> Bettig, Richard
> Bhatia, Atul
> Bhatti, Raj
> Blazer, Marc
> Bonitto, Michelle
> Bonsignore, Debbie
> Borgella, Marie
> Borland, Jim
> Bracaleri, Al
> Brisconni, Roseanne
> Bruccoleri, Albert
> Budzakowki, Kire
> Burns, MaryAnne
> Byrne, Jim
> Campion, Robert
> Camuglia, Chris
> Caparro, Theresa
> Carey, Beth
> Carlsen, Cheryl
> Cascione, Michael
> Cassisa, Anna Marie
> Castro, Sylvia
> Catrini, Val
> Chakroborti, Asish
> Chambliss, Russell
> Chen, Kangfu
> Cheshun, Alex
> Chou, Richard
> Ciaita, Anne Marie
> Claus, Matt
> Coffey, Jim
> Concillo, Fred
> Conenza, Thomas
> Connors, Matt
> Costagliola, Karen
> Costillo, Karen
> Crosby, Chris
> Cummings, Craig
> DaPuzzo, Pete
> Davis, Shawn
> Davis, Marvita
> Delgado, Maria
> Deluca, Michael
> Despian, Judy
> Dichiara, Virginia
> Dorval, Marc
> Dossel, Hans
> Dotoli, Greg
> Dragonetti, Mary
> Drury, Arthur
> Dudonis, Kate
> Emery, Robert
> Endicott, David
> Evans, Debra
> Fairbairn, Paul
> Fang, Kun
> Fernandez, Nuno
> Ficcaro, Jim
> Fiedler, Rebekah
> Fircar, Apurba
> Flanagan, Bud
> Fontana, Jennifer
> Fox, Gloria
> Fraser, Stuart
> France/Frantz, Joseph
> Fry, Harry
> Fusco, Richard
> Gallagher, Guy
> Garcia-Dorta, Theresa
> Garster, Mike
> Gaudioso, John
> Gazzillo, Monica
> Gelman, Rony
> Gen, Jin
> Georgiantonio, Christina
> Gerber, Tatyana
> Geringer, Paul
> Germant, John
> Gigi, Gomez
> Gill, Bill
> Ginsberg, Phil
> Giorgiantonio, Christina
> Godely, Natalie
> Gombas, Greg
> Gomes-Gregory, Felicia
> Gomez, Gina
> Gonzalez-Colon, Martha
> Gossel, Hans
> Grant, Laverne
> Greco, Eveline
> Guneri, Drina
> Guzman, Maritza
> Hall, Tracey
> Harbreck, Gina
> Hartanto, Anton
> Hatton, Rachel
> Hawryluk, Gina
> Hayes, Robert
> Heaton , Tim
> Hicks, Ed
> Hoffman, Edward
> Hoffman, Jefferey
> Hoy, John
> Hunt, Maureen
> Inciardi, Joan
> Ini, Shawn
> Intravaia, Vincent
> Jalazzo, Evan
> Jantz, Craig
> Jenner, Melissa
> Jiang, Sean
> Johnson, Daryl
> Jones, Tim
> Joseph, Franz
> Joseph, Jefferey
> Juris, John
> Kakkadath, Samir
> Karosen, Kent
> Kaushanskaya, Rita
> Keller, Donald
> Kelly, Brian
> Kendall, Jason
> Kennedy, Ryan
> Khalfan, Asif
> Kindya, Joseph
> Kirksey, Darius
> Knipping, Glenn
> Kober, Sarah
> Kovlenko, Yakov
> Kravette, Dave
> Kumar , Satek
> Kumara, Satya
> Kumaresan, Arul
> Kura, Ramana
> Kwasnicki, Carl
> Lambert, Gary
> Lang, James
> Lanzer, Jack
> Larocco, Anthony
> Lavin, Tom
> Law, John
> Le, Hanby
> Lederman, Kevin
> Lee, Jenny
> Leguillow, Alicia
> Leohner, Bart
> Levine, Roger
> Levitin, Helen
> Lewis, Mark
> Lindung, Bryan
> Lombardi, Joseph
> Long, Bill
> Longhitano, Albert
> Lutnick, Edie
> Lutnick, Howard
> Lyons, Paul
> Maio, James
> Makovoz, Mike
> Malone, Jim
> Manning, Lauren
> Marber, Phil
> Marcellino, Lauren
> Margolis, Joshua
> Marron, Susan
> Martinez, Joan
> Martinez, John
> Masolino, Lauren
> Matayeva, Alla
> McCann, Anna Mary
> McGuire, Phil
> McLeester, Ken
> McNeice, Jim
> Megna, Jennifer
> Mele, Joel
> Melville, Dianne
> Merchant, Richard
> Merkel, Steven
> Messina, Loren
> Messineo, Christopher
> Mestechkin, Oleg
> Miller, Carl
> Miller, Paul
> Mogulothu, Sreeman
> Mont, Mara
> Montague, Karen
> Morroni, Mike
> Mosolino, Lauren
> Munoz, Carole
> Murphy, John
> Murphy, Kevin
> Naccari, Mike
> Nagourney, Steve
> Natale, Shannon
> Nauiokas, Amy
> Navon, Steve
> Ng , Sherman
> Niccari, Mike
> Notohadiwidjojo, Irwan
> Noviello, Joe
> Nugent, Theresa
> O'Leary, Monica
> Ortiz, Karen
> Ottochian, Dennis
> Oukaour, Siad
> Pabon, Vanessa
> Pace, Patricia
> Palazola, Bob
> Parakat, Vinod
> Parkhomovsky, Mikhail
> Pasquale, Richie
> Pepe, Chris
> Petraus, Jim
> Peyser, Jonathan
> Pfeiffer, Virginia
> Pierson, Robert
> Pietrosh, Jim
> Poleshchuk, Valeriy
> Pollutri, Robert
> Posey, Eddie
> Prasad, Mark
> Provino, Jack
> Puccia, Angela
> Pundi, Ven
> Punzone, Jacqueline
> Purville, Lisa
> Rai, Ankush
> Rakhnayev, Michael
> Ramdhan, Marilyn
> Ramos, Eugene
> Ramos, Vaughn
> Rappold, Jennifer
> Ritz, Jennifer
> Riviera, Gil
> Rivera, Christina
> Rodriguez, Eric
> Rogich, Tracy
> Rojas, Edgar
> Rojas, Joseph
> Roman, Juan
> Rosenberg, Mark
> Ruocco, Andrew
> Rush, Randy
> Rushford, Francis
> Samothrakis, Chris
> Satish, Solanki
> Schodowski, Lisa
> Schonbrun, Ari
> Scibetta, Adriane
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> Scimeca, Mark
> Seborowski, Edward
> Semegran, Michael
> Servidio (nee Driscoll), Beth
> Shaman, Jackie
> Shannon, Natalie
> Shneyderman, Svetlana (Lana)
> Sichenzio, Tony
> Sicmeca, Mark
> Sircar, Apurba
> Sison, Steven
> Smith, Michael
> Smith, Ted
> So, Rachel
> Solanki, Satish
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> Sullivan, Richard
> Sverdlow, Tamara
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> Walczak, Frank
> Wall, David Scott
> Walters, Jessica
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> Weigand, Jennifer
> Weiss, David B.
> Wessels, Paul
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> 
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FROM: Cinnamon Brunmier
DATE: Thu 14:15
SUBJ: [wwwac] anyone stranded in LA

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I know the airlines & airports are working to get everyone home.  But, in
case you know anyone who is still stranded in Los Angeles, trying to get
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anyone who needs it.
 
I also have a long-haired cat. In case someone is extremely allergic, they
should know that.
 
Please, contact me offlist if you know someone who needs it. 
 
Everyone, please, be safe. I moved to LA in November from NYC and am still
so speechless and deeply saddened.
 
--Cinnamon
============================
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Sr. Producer
< kpe >Los Angeles 

tel: 323.930.7212
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FROM: 
DATE: Thu 16:26
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rebuild, rebuild!!


Well, I think those gigantic lights would keep the many residents awake
that live nearby.

On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Beth wrote:

> 
> I really like your design.  It would be a relatively quick replacement of
> the hole in the skyline.  I like that it has hopeful/spiritual connotations
> as well as almost-but-not-quite-threatening (we'll spy you if you fly here)
> connotations.  Should satisfy both doves & hawks.
> 
> 
> ____________________________
> 
> Beth Budwig, web primate
> beth@...
> 
> http://wso.williams.edu/~ebudwig
> ____________________________
> 
> 
> > From: Paul Henry Smith <phs@...>
> > Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:09:41 -0400
> > To: the nightboy <brian@...>, Jen_Runne@... (Jen Runne),
> > wwwac@...
> > Subject: Re: [wwwac] Rebuild, rebuild!!
> > 
> > At 12:14 PM -0400 9/13/01, the nightboy wrote:
> >> I would be seriously surprised if they built anything there besides a
> >> monument to the people that died.  Who would want to work in an area where
> >> this catastrophe had happened.
> > 
> > I agree.
> > 
> > If we did not build on Fort Washington because 1,200 soldiers died there, we
> > surely ought not to build where tens of thousands were killed.
> > 
> > Earlier I posted my idea for an IMMEDIATE, inexpensive and powerful memorial
> > "beacon."  Here are the illustrations:
> > 
> > http://www.panix.com/~phs/beacon/
> > 
> > Paul
> > -- 
> > 
> > ____________________________________________________
> > phs@...              http://www.panix.com/~phs






FROM: Jessica Elkin
DATE: Thu 17:34
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rumor: Whitney Houston is dead...

I tried to send this earlier:

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/eo/20010913/en/publicist_whitney_s_not_dead_1.h
tml

The short answer is: No, Whitney is not dead.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gerard McGovern <mailto:stuff@...>
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:51 PM
> To: 'Peter Shankman'; wwwac@...
> Subject: RE: [wwwac] Rumor: Whitney Houston is dead...
>
>
> > Just heard an UNCONFIRMED rumor that Whitney Houston died of a drug
> > overdose this morning - Anyone else hear anything?
>
> I've heard a similar rumour but I can't find a backup source for it.
> CNN, ABC, Ananova, BBC etc .. nothing. But then again, why would they?
> In terms of the global issue, it's not headline news.
>
> G
>
> --
>
>                  
>   Gerard McGovern
>   Webmonkey to the stars
>
>     gerard@...
>     http://www.inkiboo.com
>
>                  






FROM: Nathaniel R. Merriam
DATE: Thu 17:35
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rebuild then now


>
> Yes, I would shoot down any Jet that verged into Manhattan air space below
> an accepted hieght.  You can not have Jet Liners even by accident crashing
> into an office tower.

So if its in Manhattan air space, and you shoot it down -- where does it go?

It seems to me it would crash into Manhattan unless we have some sort of
anti-gravity weapon to use. This seems like a less-than-ideal solution to
the problem.







FROM: Don McCormick
DATE: Thu 17:37
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rumor: Whitney Houston is dead...

I have a friend who works at a hospital in the Bronx who called me today to
see if there was anything about it on TV.  Haven't seen anything yet.

Not sure if it is true or not.

On 9/13/01 5:53 PM, "Peter Shankman" <peter@...> wrote:

> All:
> 
> Just heard an UNCONFIRMED rumor that Whitney Houston died of a drug
> overdose this morning - Anyone else hear anything?
> 
> -Peter
> 
> 
> Peter Shankman
> peter@...
> www.shankman.com
> 
> "While the storm clouds gather far across the sea,
> Let us swear allegiance to a land that's free,
> Let us all be grateful for a land so fair,
> As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer."






FROM: shea
DATE: Thu 17:51
SUBJ: [wwwac] test

test






FROM: Scott Weikert
DATE: Thu 15:50
SUBJ: [wwwac] Netscape and table cell backgrounds

Anyone out there who knows the nuances/tricks to getting these to work
properly, please drop me an email.

Works fine in IE, naturally. Grr. Grr, I say.

Basically two nested tables, each with table cells with
'background=image.gif' sort of backgrounds. I've got spacer gifs in the
cells to give them some sort of content (for Netscape). The outer table's
cell backgrounds work great - the INNER table's backgrounds do not.

Thanks in advance,
--Scott






FROM: Scott Granneman
DATE: Thu 16:48
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rumor: Whitney Houston is NOT dead...

Not dead, but my God she looks terrible. Search for photos of her at 
Yahoo News. Yeesh.

Scott

Janet Driscoll wrote:
> Not dead. Here's her publicist's release:
> 
> http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,8819,00.html
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Shankman <mailto:peter@...>
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:54 PM
> To: Small Shop List; youngprpros@... wwwac@...
> Subject: [wwwac] Rumor: Whitney Houston is dead...
> 
> All:
> 
> Just heard an UNCONFIRMED rumor that Whitney Houston died of a drug
> overdose this morning - Anyone else hear anything?
> 
> -Peter
> 
> 
> Peter Shankman
> peter@...
> www.shankman.com
> 
> "While the storm clouds gather far across the sea,
> Let us swear allegiance to a land that's free,
> Let us all be grateful for a land so fair,
> As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer."


-- 
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FROM: Lynne d Johnson
DATE: Thu 17:49
SUBJ: [wwwac] FW: Light a candle


>> -----Original Message-----
>> 
>> Subject: Light a candle
>> 
>> This email is being sent around the country...
>> Friday night at 7:00 pm, step out your door, stop your car, or step out of
>> your establishment, and light a candle. We will show the world that
>> Americans are strong and united together against terrorism. Please pass this
>> to everyone on your e-mail list. We need to reach everyone across the United
>> States quickly.
>> The message: WE STAND UNITED-WE WILL NOT TOLERATE TERRORISM.
>> We need press to cover this-we need the world to see
> 
>> Marc S. Malkin
>> Contributing Editor
>> New York Magazine
>> 444 Madison Avenue
>> New York, NY 10022
>> phone (212) 508-0576
>> fax: 212-508-0503
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>> OR
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>> www.nymetro.com <http://www.nymetro.com>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------ End of Forwarded Message
>> 






FROM: David W. Fenton
DATE: Thu 17:50
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rebuild then now

On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 23:09:25 -0400, Brooklyn Linux Solutions <ruben@...> wrote:
> Manhattan does not suffer the traffic heights of BCanarsie.  And I've flown
> in and out of all three airports numerous times and EVERY time they fly
> AROUND manhattan Island.

Not that it's necessary for anyone to post other than you, Ruben, in 
order to show that you don't know what you are talking about, but you 
are just *wrong*.

There are four main general approaches into La Guardia, from my 
observations as passenger and as a person who now lives in Queens a 
few blocks West of one of them.

1. Up the Hudson River from the South, turning toward La Guardia at 
about the top of Central Park, over the Triboro Bridge and onto the 
"east-west" runway heading roughly ESE.

2. The same, except heading out North over the Bronx, East over 
Connecticut, banking back towards the airport, and coming in from the 
"North" over the Sound, onto the "north-south" runway, roughly SSW 
(this is the approach my flight August 28th from St. Louis took; I've 
taken #1 many, many times). I believe that planes coming from 
northward or eastward (and perhaps planes from the South would fly 
out over Long Island to start this approach) probably join the queue 
from Connecticut, rather than flying way down South to the Hudson, 
and that some flights from Westward come in directly over Westchester 
(based on the landing lights I've seen out the window when in landing 
planes).

3. In from the South over Queens, heading North, to land on the short 
"north-south" runway. This approach is the one that is a few blocks 
East of where I live, and I can see the planes coming in reflected in 
the windows of my neighbors across the courtyard when I'm sitting 
home watching TV in the evenings.

4. There's also the approach from Eastward on the longer "east-west" 
runway, and if I remember correctly, planes come in from the South 
over JFK or to the East of JFK, and then follow Forest Hills Park 
into LGA, roughly WNW.

The first two approaches are the ones I've experienced more than any 
of the others, with most of my flying being to St. Louis, Miami and 
Cleveland. And both of those approaches fly over Manhattan. Well, 
technically, I guess they are over the Hudson, but given the lateral 
distances and the air speeds, that's a difference that makes no 
difference whatsoever.

So, first of all, lots of planes, for all practical purposes, fly 
directly over Manhattan, and there are several other approaches.

Maybe Andrew could annotate this posting to correlate it with his 
description of the designated approach paths.

I, too, have watched airplanes from the time I was a child. I love 
them, and pay very close attention to what they are doing when they 
come in. I still do, and am just glad that I live enough blocks West 
to be able to observe planes landing closely, but not so close to the 
approach path that I hear much in the way of noise.

-- 
David W. Fenton                         |        http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
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FROM: Gilbert Midonnet
DATE: Thu 17:59
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rebuild, rebuild!!

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born in Jamaica, Queens, now in Brklyn and am raging. But the evil I feel
for the leaders and the people cheering in the streets does not translate to
hatred to my muslim and arabic neighbors.  I have talked to others feeling
much the same way. 

I had to get to work last night and was trying to walk over the bridge. I
was turned back due to the bomb scare and walked down Atlantic Ave. I saw NO
hostility.  NONE. It was heart warming. 

-- gilbert midonnet



-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Sloan <mailto:steve.sloan@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 4:47 PM
To: 'Scott Wickham'; 'the nightboy'; wwwac@...
Subject: RE: [wwwac] Rebuild, rebuild!!


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Wickham <mailto:nylscottw@...>
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:39 PM
> To: the nightboy; wwwac@...
> Subject: RE: [wwwac] Rebuild, rebuild!!
>
>

[...]

> >
> >
> > But they did.  I saw it with my own eyes. If you
> > live in NYC as I do, you
> > will notice that people are very edgy.  And it's not
> > a," I am just pissed
> > off thing."
> >
> >
> >  Brian Douglas  (:ub)
>
> Serious question, are you a native New Yorkers.
> Because in my experience the Natives are Just really
> pissed.
>
> Non native New Yorkers seem much more introspective
> and scared.
>
>

Yo!  Fuckin' A!  I was born in Brooklyn and, know what? -- I'm really,
really pissed.

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FROM: Michael K. Ahn
DATE: Thu 18:04
SUBJ: [wwwac] Official US Flag (.eps or .ai file that is proportianally correct)

I figure it's easier to print one than try and buy one at this point.
Can anyone forward me an illustrator file of the official US Flag?

Mike





FROM: Tristan Louis
DATE: Thu 18:12
SUBJ: [wwwac] Volunteering

OK folks. I set up a list just to pass info about volunteering. To 
subscribe, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/helpnyc

I'm going to try to get it going for as long as I can as another central 
resource for data related to volunteering.

ALSO...

If you want to volunteer at the armory (26th and Lexington), they do NOT 
need volunteers right now. However, they do need some for the later shifts 
tonight, starting at 10pm and later....

TNL



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FROM: Venessa Perez
DATE: Thu 18:24
SUBJ: [wwwac] KILL IGNORANCE

Bill gave a statement yesterday that he was sorry and was supporting what
Bush was doing. Hilary was off to present something to congress. No idea
where Chelsey is.

V...



----- Original Message -----
From: "hens" <hens@...>
To: "David Choi" <dave@...>; <wwwac@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [wwwac] KILL IGNORANCE


> On 9/13/01 at 3:51 PM -0400, David Choi wrote:
>
> > and btw, has anyone heard a statement from everyone's favorite guy
> > (CLINTON)??  i'd be interested in what he has to say about all of this.
>
> That's what I'd like to know too! Where's Bill? We need Bill.
>
>
>
>
> --
>                          <http://www.monospace.com>
>                          You are visitor number one.






FROM: Michael K. Ahn
DATE: Thu 18:29
SUBJ: [wwwac] Official US Flag (.eps or .ai file that is proportianally correct)

I figure it's easier to print one than try and buy one at this point.
Can anyone forward me an illustrator file of the official US Flag?

Mike





FROM: Peter Shankman
DATE: Thu 18:31
SUBJ: [wwwac] "tens of thousands" of reservists possibly to be called up

 From the Washington Post

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26742-2001Sep13.html

The Pentagon plans to call several thousand reservists to active duty in 
the next few days in what defense officials said today would likely mark 
the start of a much larger military mobilization in the wake of Tuesday's 
terrorist strikes.

Pentagon estimates of the number of reservists likely to be summoned in the 
weeks ahead range in the tens of thousands


This sounds a little more like war than it did before I read that.

-Peter


Peter Shankman
peter@...
www.shankman.com

"While the storm clouds gather far across the sea,
Let us swear allegiance to a land that's free,
Let us all be grateful for a land so fair,
As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer."





FROM: shea
DATE: Thu 18:31
SUBJ: [wwwac] Echelon Network Knew About Hijackings!



http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/01/09/13/010913hnech.xml







FROM: David W. Fenton
DATE: Thu 17:38
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rebuild then now

On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 23:09:25 -0400, Brooklyn Linux Solutions <ruben@...> wrote:
> Manhattan does not suffer the traffic heights of BCanarsie.  And I've flown
> in and out of all three airports numerous times and EVERY time they fly
> AROUND manhattan Island.

Not that it's necessary for anyone to post other than you, Ruben, in 
order to show that you don't know what you are talking about, but you 
are just *wrong*.

There are four main general approaches into La Guardia, from my 
observations as passenger and as a person who now lives in Queens a 
few blocks West of one of them.

1. Up the Hudson River from the South, turning toward La Guardia at 
about the top of Central Park, over the Triboro Bridge and onto the 
"east-west" runway heading roughly ESE.

2. The same, except heading out North over the Bronx, East over 
Connecticut, banking back towards the airport, and coming in from the 
"North" over the Sound, onto the "north-south" runway, roughly SSW 
(this is the approach my flight August 28th from St. Louis took; I've 
taken #1 many, many times). I believe that planes coming from 
northward or eastward (and perhaps planes from the South would fly 
out over Long Island to start this approach) probably join the queue 
from Connecticut, rather than flying way down South to the Hudson, 
and that some flights from Westward come in directly over Westchester 
(based on the landing lights I've seen out the window when in landing 
planes).

3. In from the South over Queens, heading North, to land on the short 
"north-south" runway. This approach is the one that is a few blocks 
East of where I live, and I can see the planes coming in reflected in 
the windows of my neighbors across the courtyard when I'm sitting 
home watching TV in the evenings.

4. There's also the approach from Eastward on the longer "east-west" 
runway, and if I remember correctly, planes come in from the South 
over JFK or to the East of JFK, and then follow Forest Hills Park 
into LGA, roughly WNW.

The first two approaches are the ones I've experienced more than any 
of the others, with most of my flying being to St. Louis, Miami and 
Cleveland. And both of those approaches fly over Manhattan. Well, 
technically, I guess they are over the Hudson, but given the lateral 
distances and the air speeds, that's a difference that makes no 
difference whatsoever.

So, first of all, lots of planes, for all practical purposes, fly 
directly over Manhattan, and there are several other approaches.

Maybe Andrew could annotate this posting to correlate it with his 
description of the designated approach paths.

I, too, have watched airplanes from the time I was a child. I love 
them, and pay very close attention to what they are doing when they 
come in. I still do, and am just glad that I live enough blocks West 
to be able to observe planes landing closely, but not so close to the 
approach path that I hear much in the way of noise.

-- 
David W. Fenton                         |        http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
David Fenton Associates                 |        http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc





FROM: Block, Ben
DATE: Thu 16:47
SUBJ: [wwwac] OT-BS: Why didn't anyone know?

you are disgusting... figures someone with the handle "bongwater" would post
this... go smoke your pipe


-----Original Message-----
From: JRFarrell17@... <mailto:JRFarrell17@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 2:05 PM
To: bongwater@... wwwac@...
Subject: Re: [wwwac] OT-BS: Why didn't anyone know?


In a message dated 9/13/2001 10:54:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
bongwater@... writes:


> shooting a palestinian child throwing rocks today will prevent one from
> toting an ak-47 later.
> 
> fuck them.
> 

I have nothing to add.

-Jim





FROM: Bob Frankel
DATE: Thu 17:48
SUBJ: [wwwac] thoughts...

As I had stayed uptown since the catastrophe occurred, I had had the sense
of being just as remote as many of our family and friends trying to reach us
from around the world - depending on e-mail and TV for much of my
information.  When I went outside yesterday, however - miles from the
epicenter, and separated by possibly the most densely structured city in the
world - was the unmistakable smell of acrid smoke and the haze of dust...
more than 24 hours after the fact.  I have heard and read first hand
accounts from many people I know.  I have shared in the relief of hundreds
of "I'm OK" e-mails filtering in.  All so near and far.

I know from my own limited experience of seeing unexpected death or moments
of sudden danger that the sensations of being there are impossible to convey
in words.  As graphic and dramatic as the footage on TV may be, we are still
looking, safe and sound, into a glass box from afar.  The effects of
adrenaline - the heightened senses to sight and sound and smell; the slowing
down of time to where seconds seem like minutes, minutes like hours; the
grasping for comprehension while dealing with the urges of "fight or
flight" - these can be intellectually described, yet not understood without
first hand experience.  Listen to war veterans - we can listen to them and
sympathize with them - but only those who have shared the experience can
really empathize.  The vast array of sensations and emotions are forced into
indelible, instantaneous moments - lingering long after for replay.  Some
are scarred and some are able to accept it and go on with life.  A few even
become addicted to the "rush," seeking irrational means to feeling so
"alive" again.

I am glad that I, and my family, will not have to try to convey such
experiences.  The mere conflict of near and far is more than enough for me.
The closer any of you were to this experience, the deeper the after effects
will be.  All I can offer is that the final stage of grief is "acceptance" -
and that is where you have to go.  The rest of us can only be supportive.

Bob








FROM: Rebecca Donnison
DATE: Fri 08:50
SUBJ: [wwwac] KILL IGNORANCE

Bill Clinton is in Port Douglas, Australia.

He was interviewed on TV and gave a moving speech about how we need to
listen to President Bush and follow his lead.  He looked phyiscally affected
and very sad.

He is going to be trying to make his way back to the US asap.

His whereabouts were being closely guarded for safety reasons.


----- Original Message -----
From: "hens" <hens@...>
To: "David Choi" <dave@...>; <wwwac@...>
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 7:02 AM
Subject: Re: [wwwac] KILL IGNORANCE


> On 9/13/01 at 3:51 PM -0400, David Choi wrote:
>
> > and btw, has anyone heard a statement from everyone's favorite guy
> > (CLINTON)??  i'd be interested in what he has to say about all of this.
>
> That's what I'd like to know too! Where's Bill? We need Bill.
>
>
>
>
> --
>                          <http://www.monospace.com>
>                          You are visitor number one.






FROM: Rita Crisafi
DATE: Thu 18:44
SUBJ: [wwwac] air quality


any updates on air quality? is it safe for me to go outside with my three
month old? I live in the east village and i feel incredibly shut-in, but i
don't want to go out if it will put my baby's health in danger. anyone
have any info/news?

thanks,

rita








FROM: David W. Fenton
DATE: Thu 18:14
SUBJ: [wwwac] Any announcement about air quality warning

On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:35:31 -0400, Joanna Wissinger <joanna@...> wrote:
> my father is currently suffering from asbestos-related cancer ... I 
> think the asbestos restrictions were instituted in the early 70s. The 
> Towers were built in 1973, so you could be right.

I've read so many things in the past few days that I'm not sure I 
remember where it came from, but if I remember correctly, one of the 
engineering reports (from experts who were speculating about the 
mechanics of the collapse) said that asbestos was used in the first 
building, while only about 1/3 of the 2nd building, and that 
remaining asbestos was encapsulated after the 1993 bombing. I'm not 
sure what good that would do when the whole building disintegrates, 
but perhaps the pieces are large enough that the encapsulating 
materials would basically not be signficantly breached.

There was a report somewhere that someone tested the air and found 
not significant presence of asbestos.

I wish I could offer something more concrete, but the basic 
impression I got from what I read was that the asbestos risk was 
considered very low.

-- 
David W. Fenton                         |        http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
David Fenton Associates                 |        http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc





FROM: daniel vena
DATE: Thu 19:26
SUBJ: [wwwac] the devil for those who missed it...

it appears the picture i linked before has been taken offline.  here's
another one:

http://dailynews.philly.com/content/daily%5Fnews/2001/09/13/local/DEVI13C.ht
m


To: feedback@...
From: daniel@...
Subject: this is what i see in the smoke...

a newspaper that has lost its credibility.



--
_d.vena \\ www.vena.net









FROM: Joanna Wissinger
DATE: Thu 18:54
SUBJ: [wwwac] blind nationalism

yeah, but before the police closed Atlantic Avenue in Brooklyn to 
traffic, people were driving by and throwing garbage at the Arab 
shops, or so I was told.

At 12:23 PM -0700 9/13/01, Scott Wickham wrote:
>Its not blind nationalism. 10k deaths our eyes are
>wide open.
>
>Personally I think people have been rather chill, in
>manhattan people are still buying and being polite to
>the many Arab shop owners.

-- 




Joanna Wissinger
c 917 407 6825 im joannawnyc web http://joannaw.com
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what is "ubiquitous platforms"? find out at http://www.joannaw.com/ubiq
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FROM: DHL
DATE: Thu 16:38
SUBJ: [wwwac] Any Battery Park residents been home?

I live in Battery Park City on Battery Place in the South Cove at the
end of South End Ave. I have not been able to get home and have been
told it will probably be two weeks before we will be able to get there.
The National Guard is in the area and won't let anyone past Chambers
Street. I've got a friend who lives in the Gateway Plaza right near the
World Financial Center. She was going to try to get her cats out and
had heard that people were allowed to get their pets with an escort,
but I haven't heard back yet whether she was successful or not. If I
hear anything more I'll let you know.

Diana

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FROM: Martin T. Focazio
DATE: Thu 19:38
SUBJ: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel

At 3:26 PM -0400 09-13-2001, Joanna Wissinger wrote:
>At 10:55 AM -0400 9/13/01, Amita Guha wrote:
>
>>
>>Am I the only person here who is completely terrified
>>of getting on a plane again? Reply off list if you
>>want to talk....

I just cancelled a trip to Atlanta for Monday. Forget flying, I'm 
afraid of CITIES now.





FROM: Marty Landman
DATE: Thu 19:46
SUBJ: [wwwac] blind nationalism

At 04:38 PM 9/13/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Piri Miller wrote:
>
>>As the Arab nations harbor terrorist training grounds, terrorists, and no
>>small amount of hatred of Americans, is it really RACISM to fear them?
>
>Some of these countries definitely do harbor terrorists. But for some of 
>these, we have no reason to believe they harbor terrorists.
>[snip]
>
>.. please don't let your understandable outrage goad you into making 
>unsupportable generalizations.

I have to chime in to agree with this. I'm Jewish and a native New Yorker, 
born and bred in the city and now living upstate. I've had co-workers, 
neighbors, and fellow students of Arabic descent or origin from places 
including Egypt, Kuwait - a Palestinian family my wife and I lived across 
the street from for 4 years, Lebanon, and Iran. I may be forgetting other 
folks here.

I think the word "Arab" is probably similar in scope and meaning to the 
word "European". If these terrorists were say, Czech, would we see these 
attitudes towards all Europeans, not to mention all Czechs? Most people 
everywhere want to live their lives in peace. A few indescribably evil 
people have this week made a bad name for millions of others of similar 
nationality.

This is a patently unfair generalization and goes against the best 
traditions of our nation and democratic attitudes.

Ok, I'll shut up now. :)

Marty

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FROM: Silicon Alley Station
DATE: Thu 19:47
SUBJ: [wwwac] air quality

Actually guys CBSNEWS.com has the latest reports on Manhattan air quality.
The last time I looked, it said it was passable.

Dolly Nielsen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rita Crisafi" <rita@...>
To: <wwwac@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 6:44 PM
Subject: [wwwac] air quality


>
> any updates on air quality? is it safe for me to go outside with my three
> month old? I live in the east village and i feel incredibly shut-in, but i
> don't want to go out if it will put my baby's health in danger. anyone
> have any info/news?
>
> thanks,
>
> rita






FROM: gharris
DATE: 
SUBJ: [wwwac] making pdfs from html

can anyone point me to information on how to
make pdf files from html documents

tia, George Harris





FROM: daniel vena
DATE: Thu 20:10
SUBJ: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel

there's really no reason to be afraid.  the fact that it took this long for
something like this to happen speaks *VERY* well for our national security.
everyone is a little hysterical right now, but we're still just as safe as
we always were.

imho.

--
_d.vena \\ www.vena.net


----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin T. Focazio" <wwwac@...>
To: "Joanna Wissinger" <joanna@...>; "Amita Guha"
<bfift2girl@...>; <wwwac@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel


> At 3:26 PM -0400 09-13-2001, Joanna Wissinger wrote:
> >At 10:55 AM -0400 9/13/01, Amita Guha wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>Am I the only person here who is completely terrified
> >>of getting on a plane again? Reply off list if you
> >>want to talk....
>
> I just cancelled a trip to Atlanta for Monday. Forget flying, I'm
> afraid of CITIES now.







FROM: 
DATE: Thu 20:13
SUBJ: [wwwac] Fwd: [wwwac] OT-BS: Why didn't anyone know? (E-mail is down.)

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Did anyone else receive it?  

i will follow this number up. Thanks for anyone's information.

-Jim

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>>> JRFarrell17 09/13/01 14:04 >>>

In a message dated 9/13/2001 10:54:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time,=20
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> shooting a palestinian child throwing rocks today will prevent one from
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FROM: Brett Leveridge
DATE: Thu 20:17
SUBJ: [wwwac] blind nationalism


> I think the word "Arab" is probably similar in
> scope and meaning to the word "European".

Indeed. Take a look at this FAQ the Detroit Free Press is offering about
the rich and varied cultures we tend to lump together under the
"Arab-American" label (it's intended for journalists, I believe, but is
well worth a read for laypeople, too):

http://www.freep.com/jobspage/arabs/index.htm


Brett








FROM: Jessica Elkin
DATE: Thu 20:18
SUBJ: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel

I used to love to fly, but I don't know how safe I'd feel doing so having
witnessed everything that happened at the WTC. However, I am willing to give
up a certain amount of "freedom" in exchange for myself and my family's
safety and if this means taking an extra hour or so at the airport, I'm all
for it.

Just my $0.02,
Jessie

By the way, what other method of air travel is there right now? Any wwwacies
working on teleportation devices? ;) (Sorry, just being facetious.)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin T. Focazio <mailto:wwwac@...>
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 7:38 PM
> To: Joanna Wissinger; Amita Guha; wwwac@...
> Subject: Re: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel
>
>
> At 3:26 PM -0400 09-13-2001, Joanna Wissinger wrote:
> >At 10:55 AM -0400 9/13/01, Amita Guha wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>Am I the only person here who is completely terrified
> >>of getting on a plane again? Reply off list if you
> >>want to talk....
>
> I just cancelled a trip to Atlanta for Monday. Forget flying, I'm
> afraid of CITIES now.






FROM: mike dizon
DATE: Thu 20:19
SUBJ: [wwwac] my experiences from today and thoughts about life in general

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September 13, 2001 9:30AM. My heart sank at the first glimpse of Lower =
Manhattan -- as we walked onto the pier at 70 Hudson. Most of us stared =
at what was once, where the WTC stood. Until then I wasn't able to =
accept the fact that the towers were indeed gone. After working there =
for three years, Lower Manhattan was almost like a second home. True, =
when I was there I always couldn't wait to just get out, and back onto =
our side of the river - but you never really think about everything you =
had until it was taken away in a flash. My typical day of coming out of =
the Path train under the WTC, cutting through the Borders Bookstore with =
the security guards giving me the eye because they think I'm going to =
steal something, then up the escalator to ground level where I would =
grab my morning Krispy Kreme Donuts and Coffee. Take my first bite as I =
cross Church Street, then Broadway and make my way down to Maiden Lane =
and to my desk where I would sign onto AIM and waste away my day. On my =
lunch break I would always go by the small park at Trinity and Church to =
grab a cheap lunch, which more than often would be Sam's Hot Falafel, -- =
you cant beat a buck fifty for lunch in the city. These are just some of =
the thoughts that went through my mind as I stared at the carnage across =
the river.
Soon, we were given instructions to load the boats full of the supplies =
donated by many people and business around the area. A great feeling =
surrounded everyone who labored the hours to get the boats loaded and =
keep the supplies moving. Keep in mind that with the exception of Mark, =
Rich and myself, many of the people we were working with were complete =
strangers.

It wasn't long until Mark and myself were one of the few who were making =
some of the first trips to Manhattan Island, we were aboard the Captain =
John boat which docked at Battery Park. A strange feeling set in =
immediately as I saw the deserted park, which Is always packed with both =
tourists and locals. An even worse feeling when I saw the abandoned baby =
carriages. Soon we were back at Jersey City and loading up another boat. =
A few hours later Mark and I went across again when our boat was =
stopped, just outside of Pier 11. 1 New York Plaza had started to buckle =
and you could see the rescue crews running in fear of the collapse. We =
were sent back to Jersey City and the boat went back to retrieve some =
injured fire fighters. Shortly afterwards we were allowed back onto the =
boat and we made our way to Pier 11 where we stayed for a short while, =
aiding to unload the boats that were coming from Jersey City.

What amazes me is the size of the turnout of volunteers. Hundreds of =
strangers banding together to help out - maybe it just amazes me because =
I'm so used to the New York state of mind where everyone minds their own =
business and couldn't care less about the person who sits next to them =
on the subway.  I guess in times of crisis, we all get a reality check, =
we are all humans - brothers and sisters in Christ, even if the person =
next to you worships to some other deity we are still living in this =
diverse world together, especially in New York. I'm pretty known to have =
a hot temper, I'm quick to flip the bird at any driver who remotely =
violates my space on the road, and I'm quick to return the favor. The =
same goes for when I walk in the city, I more than often push people off =
of me who may run into me, give them a dirty look or even mouth off a =
few words. And then it hits me. All those people that I encounter =
everywhere, everyday , all have lives. I suppose its safe to say that at =
times we forget that everyone in this world is an individual with lives =
of his or her own. We forget that they have families and friends just =
like we do. More than often we view strangers on the street as just =
obstacles on the sidewalk, which we must maneuver through to get to our =
destination. I recall one man going rushing to get on the Newark Penn =
Station Path train from the WTC, as single-file escalator neared the =
bottom, the man grew agitated and tried to push his way to the bottom, =
in fear of missing his train. He tried to push me and I nearly choked =
him by the shoulder strap of his laptop case. I let him go and he tried =
to attack me again. I thought about him some more on the drive home as I =
sat through traffic - was he in one of those buildings? He may very well =
have been, and I will never know. I guess that we should try and get at =
least something out of this situation that we are in, and that should be =
to show a little more respect, courtesy or even love to one another, not =
just in times like these, but everyday.

Mike Dizon =20


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FROM: Andrew Gideon
DATE: Fri 00:21
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rebuild then now

In article <3BA0EF15.19495.87A0C4@...>,
	dfassoc@... ("David W. Fenton") writes:
 
> Maybe Andrew could annotate this posting to correlate it with his 
> description of the designated approach paths.

Not from here.  I didn't think to bring my flight gear from home
(where it suffers from enforced neglect, damn it).

But, since I paid special attention to it last night, I recall the
ILS 13 approach to LGA.  The first approach you list sounds like
that one.  TRACON can vector aircraft into that approach from
either the north or the south.  But once they intercept the
approach, they'll be flying a magnetic heading of 134 degrees
(if memory serves) over a chunk of Manhatten.

There is a VOR and a visual approach that also follow the
same basic path.  But I'd expect the ILS (which is a precision
instrument approach, providing both horizontal and vertical
course guidance) to be the most commonly used.  

> I, too, have watched airplanes from the time I was a child. I love 
> them, and pay very close attention to what they are doing when they 
> come in. I still do, and am just glad that I live enough blocks West 
> to be able to observe planes landing closely, but not so close to the 
> approach path that I hear much in the way of noise.

It sounds like you should try a flight lesson or two.  You might
get hooked.  It's a lot more fun to watch airplanes from the
cockpit than from any other place in the universe.

	- Andrew





FROM: Robert Gruber
DATE: Thu 20:34
SUBJ: [wwwac] making pdfs from html

Adobe has a tool for this on their site.

https://createpdf.adobe.com

  I think you have to register with them and then you just type in the 
url of the document and it creates a PDF and then tells you where to 
download it or emails it to you. You get a couple free and then you 
can pay for more.

Used it once and it works great.

Rob
-- 
_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
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Web Development

www.robertgruber.com
rob@...





FROM: Jessica Elkin
DATE: Thu 20:44
SUBJ: [wwwac] Fwd: [wwwac] OT-BS: Why didn't anyone know? (E-mail is down.)

------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C13C94.D63BBC70
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think it's just someone's auto-response. I've gotten it anytime I send a
post to the list.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: JRFarrell17@... <mailto:JRFarrell17@...>
  Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:14 PM
  To: wwwac@...
  Cc: JRFarrell17@...
  Subject: [wwwac] Fwd: [wwwac] OT-BS: Why didn't anyone know? (E-mail is
down.)


  Does anyone know what this email is about?

  Did anyone else receive it?

  i will follow this number up. Thanks for anyone's information.

  -Jim

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FROM: mike dizon
DATE: Thu 20:42
SUBJ: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel

Well actually... if we were able to break down our molecular structure into
its most simple form and convert it into binary data, theoretically we would
be able to take that binary data and pass it to another location and
reassemble it. Although, I would hate be to be the guy who while in the
middle of teleportation -- someone picks up the phone and kicks the modem
off.




----- Original Message -----
From: Jessica Elkin <kvixen@...>
To: <wwwac@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:18 PM
Subject: RE: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel


> I used to love to fly, but I don't know how safe I'd feel doing so having
> witnessed everything that happened at the WTC. However, I am willing to
give
> up a certain amount of "freedom" in exchange for myself and my family's
> safety and if this means taking an extra hour or so at the airport, I'm
all
> for it.
>
> Just my $0.02,
> Jessie
>
> By the way, what other method of air travel is there right now? Any
wwwacies
> working on teleportation devices? ;) (Sorry, just being facetious.)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Martin T. Focazio <mailto:wwwac@...>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 7:38 PM
> > To: Joanna Wissinger; Amita Guha; wwwac@...
> > Subject: Re: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel
> >
> >
> > At 3:26 PM -0400 09-13-2001, Joanna Wissinger wrote:
> > >At 10:55 AM -0400 9/13/01, Amita Guha wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>Am I the only person here who is completely terrified
> > >>of getting on a plane again? Reply off list if you
> > >>want to talk....
> >
> > I just cancelled a trip to Atlanta for Monday. Forget flying, I'm
> > afraid of CITIES now.





FROM: hens
DATE: Thu 20:46
SUBJ: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel

On 9/13/01 at 8:10 PM -0400, daniel vena wrote:

> there's really no reason to be afraid.  the fact that it took this long for
> something like this to happen speaks *VERY* well for our national security.

Ahem. It says NOTHING about national security. It just shows that up until
now, no-one had THOUGHT of doing this.

> everyone is a little hysterical right now, but we're still just as safe as
> we always were.

We were never safe. Airport security always struck me as ludicrous in this
country. "Did you pack your own bag Sir?" "No Ma'm, my mother did."





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FROM: David W. Fenton
DATE: Thu 20:10
SUBJ: [wwwac] Re: non nyc'ers, be careful!

On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 11:20:32 -0400 (EDT), Rita Crisafi <rita@...> wrote:
> is anyone else experiencing this? i know that they mean well, but some of
> my relatives are calling me constantly telling me about "asbestos clouds"
> over manhattan among other horrifying things..assuring me that i should
> get out. 

ABC News had a report this evening on the composition of the dust 
cloud. Most of it was plaster and drywall dust. They said that tests 
of particulates around the area had turned up evidence of asbestos 
only a very small number of times.

Now, as to the ash from the still-burning fires, I don't know -- they 
didn't discuss that.

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FROM: Alan Brooks
DATE: Thu 20:48
SUBJ: [wwwac] blind nationalism


Marty Landman said:

> I think the word "Arab" is probably similar in scope and meaning to
the
> word "European". If these terrorists were say, Czech, would we see
these
> attitudes towards all Europeans, not to mention all Czechs? Most
people
> everywhere want to live their lives in peace. A few indescribably evil
> people have this week made a bad name for millions of others
> of similar nationality.
>
> This is a patently unfair generalization and goes against the best
> traditions of our nation and democratic attitudes.
>
> Ok, I'll shut up now. :)

No, don't shut up.  That was well said and well worth saying.

Alan Brooks






FROM: hens
DATE: Thu 20:53
SUBJ: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel

On 9/13/01 at 8:18 PM -0400, Jessica Elkin wrote:

> I used to love to fly, but I don't know how safe I'd feel doing so having
> witnessed everything that happened at the WTC. However, I am willing to give
> up a certain amount of "freedom" in exchange for myself and my family's
> safety and if this means taking an extra hour or so at the airport, I'm all
> for it.

I've always HATED flying. Sitting in a cramped seat for hours, 30,000 feet
up in the air, with nowhere to go, just isn't my idea of fun.

I prefer trains any time. Too bad there isn't any intercontinental train
service.

> By the way, what other method of air travel is there right now? Any wwwacies
> working on teleportation devices? ;) (Sorry, just being facetious.)

In fact, I don't even really like to travel. Just beam me there.

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FROM: Kim B. Foglia
DATE: Thu 21:25
SUBJ: [wwwac] Cantor Fitzgerald update

Where did you get this info? I have a friend looking for her brother 
who worked on the 105th floor and he wasn't on this list.

Cantor Fitzgerald's Web site is down, so how do you get this info?


Kim B. Foglia
Chief Creative Officer
Galt Corporation
http://www.galtcorporation.com
631.756.0200 x204 voice
631.756.0789 fax





FROM: 
DATE: Thu 21:40
SUBJ: [wwwac] UNIX hosts for Telnet

Does anyone know if one can get an account on a UNIX host machine?
The ones I found using search engines seem to be accessible only
to students at universities.

I'm not a student and want to be able to learn and perform some operations
by using telnet on my home PC.

Yusef Jeffries-El
YJeffriese@...





FROM: Kaori Eda
DATE: Fri 01:48
SUBJ: [wwwac] FW: Light a candle

I'm currently away from NY (in Tokyo, Japan) but will be lighting the candle 
at 8AM Saturday morning in Tokyo(7PM Friday in NYC).  Wish I could do more 
to help. Iam forwarding this mail to my friends in Japan so that they, too 
can light the candles to show support and be a part of the fight against 
terroism.

Kaori Eda



>From: Lynne d Johnson <ldj00@...>
>To: <wwwac@...>
>Subject: [wwwac] FW: Light a candle
>Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:49:36 -0400
>
>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>
> >> Subject: Light a candle
> >>
> >> This email is being sent around the country...
> >> Friday night at 7:00 pm, step out your door, stop your car, or step out 
>of
> >> your establishment, and light a candle. We will show the world that
> >> Americans are strong and united together against terrorism. Please pass 
>this
> >> to everyone on your e-mail list. We need to reach everyone across the 
>United
> >> States quickly.
> >> The message: WE STAND UNITED-WE WILL NOT TOLERATE TERRORISM.
> >> We need press to cover this-we need the world to see
> >
> >> Marc S. Malkin
> >> Contributing Editor
> >> New York Magazine
> >> 444 Madison Avenue
> >> New York, NY 10022
> >> phone (212) 508-0576
> >> fax: 212-508-0503
> >> email: marc_malkin@... 
><mailto:marc_malkin@...>
> >> OR
> >> email: mmalk@... <mailto:mmalk@...>
> >> www.nymetro.com <http://www.nymetro.com>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------ End of Forwarded Message


_________________________________________________________________
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp






FROM: hens
DATE: Thu 21:56
SUBJ: [wwwac] UNIX hosts for Telnet

On 9/13/01 at 9:40 PM -0400, YJeffriese@... wrote:

> Does anyone know if one can get an account on a UNIX host machine?
> The ones I found using search engines seem to be accessible only
> to students at universities.
>
> I'm not a student and want to be able to learn and perform some operations
> by using telnet on my home PC.

Free shells:
http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Internet/Access_Providers/Unix_Shell_Providers/Free_Shells/





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FROM: Timothy Embler
DATE: Thu 19:04
SUBJ: [wwwac] UNIX hosts for Telnet

I recommend http://www.freeshell.org/

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: YJeffriese@... [mailto:YJeffriese@... 
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 6:40 PM
To: wwwac@...
Subject: [wwwac] UNIX hosts for Telnet


Does anyone know if one can get an account on a UNIX host machine? The
ones I found using search engines seem to be accessible only to students
at universities.

I'm not a student and want to be able to learn and perform some
operations by using telnet on my home PC.

Yusef Jeffries-El
YJeffriese@...









FROM: 
DATE: Thu 21:25
SUBJ: [wwwac] scanner stream?

Anybody have the url for ny police scanners?






FROM: John A. Federico
DATE: Thu 22:44
SUBJ: [wwwac] scanner stream?

http://www.policescanner.com/policeNYPD.stm

>-----Original Message-----
>From: grimmwerks@... <mailto:grimmwerks@...>
>Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:25 PM
>To: wwwac@...
>Subject: [wwwac] scanner stream?
>
>
>Anybody have the url for ny police scanners?





FROM: Paul Henry Smith
DATE: Thu 22:28
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rebuild, rebuild!!

At 4:26 PM -0500 9/13/01, <grimmwerks@...> wrote:
>Well, I think those gigantic lights would keep the many residents awake
>that live nearby.

Easy solution:  Put 'em up higher and/or turn them off at midnight (just like the ESB).

>On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Beth wrote:
>
>>
>> I really like your design.  It would be a relatively quick replacement of
>> the hole in the skyline.  I like that it has hopeful/spiritual connotations
>> as well as almost-but-not-quite-threatening (we'll spy you if you fly here)
>> connotations.  Should satisfy both doves & hawks.
>>
>>
>> ____________________________
>>
>> Beth Budwig, web primate
>> beth@...
>>
>> http://wso.williams.edu/~ebudwig
>> ____________________________
>>
>>
>> > From: Paul Henry Smith <phs@...>
>> > Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:09:41 -0400
>> > To: the nightboy <brian@...>, Jen_Runne@... (Jen Runne),
>> > wwwac@...
>> > Subject: Re: [wwwac] Rebuild, rebuild!!
>> >
>> > At 12:14 PM -0400 9/13/01, the nightboy wrote:
>> >> I would be seriously surprised if they built anything there besides a
>> >> monument to the people that died.  Who would want to work in an area where
>> >> this catastrophe had happened.
>> >
>> > I agree.
>> >
>> > If we did not build on Fort Washington because 1,200 soldiers died there, we
>> > surely ought not to build where tens of thousands were killed.
>> >
>> > Earlier I posted my idea for an IMMEDIATE, inexpensive and powerful memorial
>> > "beacon."  Here are the illustrations:
>> >
>> > http://www.panix.com/~phs/beacon/
>> >
>> > Paul
>> > --
>> >
>> > ____________________________________________________
>> > phs@...              http://www.panix.com/~phs
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FROM: Timothy Embler
DATE: Thu 19:42
SUBJ: [wwwac] scanner stream?

http://www.policescanner.com/policeNYPD.stm

-----Original Message-----
From: grimmwerks@... [mailto:grimmwerks@... 
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 7:25 PM
To: wwwac@...
Subject: [wwwac] scanner stream?


Anybody have the url for ny police scanners?









FROM: r. evan cunningham
DATE: Thu 19:54
SUBJ: [wwwac] kein betreff

in this particular instance, it is basically the
german equivalent to our "no subject" header. it
basically means "of no specific concern" just thought
i'd nip this one in the bud while tempers are
flaring....

glad to see everyone communicating so well. i feel so
cut off being stuck up here in maine. 

i have been having trouble finding out whether
greyhound service into the city will be restarting at
any point soon. i am kinda desperate and antsy to get
back to all my friends and loved ones in gotham.

love,

=====
r. evan cunningham
tasty milk industries
www.tastymilk.com

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FROM: Kim B. Foglia
DATE: Thu 22:59
SUBJ: [wwwac] lots of incorrect news

Didn't see this post, sorry if its duplicated...
====================================

Between the five firemen rescued story and hijacking pilot brothers 
story, the news media and the FBI are really falling on their faces.

The five firemen rescued today story has been pulled from CNN, 
because they were not buried during the building collapse.


The two brothers from Florida identified as the likely pilots by the 
FBI are now no longer suspects... and one of them has been dead for 
almost a year... and they aren't even brothers...

==============
Correction from CNN:
We would like to correct a report that appeared on CNN. Based on 
information from multiple law enforcement sources, CNN reported that 
Adnan Bukhari and a brother, Ameer, of Vero Beach, Florida, were 
suspected to be two of the pilots who crashed planes into the World 
Trade Center. CNN learned Thursday that Adnan Bukhari is still in 
Florida, where he was questioned Wednesday by the FBI. We are sorry 
for the misinformation. Through his attorney, Bukhari says he is not 
connected at all with this, that he is helping authorities, and that 
any documents they found with his name means his identity was stolen. 
He says Ameer Bukhari, who he says is not his brother, died in a 
small plane crash last year. Additionally, Bukhari's attorney informs 
CNN that Bukhari passed an FBI-administered lie detector test.
==============

I was in Atlanta during the whole Richard Jewell /Olympics bombing 
3-ring circus. I think it must be embarrassing to be the FBI a lot of 
the time.


Kim B. Foglia
Chief Creative Officer
Galt Corporation
http://www.galtcorporation.com
631.756.0200 x204 voice
631.756.0789 fax





FROM: Kim B. Foglia
DATE: Thu 23:01
SUBJ: [wwwac] more hijackers??

ABC news reported that 10 suspected hijackers have been arrested at 
NYC airports with fake ID and knives.


Kim B. Foglia
Chief Creative Officer
Galt Corporation
http://www.galtcorporation.com
631.756.0200 x204 voice
631.756.0789 fax





FROM: Scott Wickham
DATE: Thu 20:14
SUBJ: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel

Hate to tell you it won't increase your safety.

Just give you an illusions of safety.



--- Jessica Elkin <kvixen@...> wrote:
> I used to love to fly, but I don't know how safe I'd
> feel doing so having
> witnessed everything that happened at the WTC.
> However, I am willing to give
> up a certain amount of "freedom" in exchange for
> myself and my family's
> safety and if this means taking an extra hour or so
> at the airport, I'm all
> for it.
> 
> Just my $0.02,
> Jessie
> 
> By the way, what other method of air travel is there
> right now? Any wwwacies
> working on teleportation devices? ;) (Sorry, just
> being facetious.)
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Martin T. Focazio <mailto:wwwac@...>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 7:38 PM
> > To: Joanna Wissinger; Amita Guha;
> wwwac@...
> > Subject: Re: [wwwac] alternate method of air
> travel
> >
> >
> > At 3:26 PM -0400 09-13-2001, Joanna Wissinger
> wrote:
> > >At 10:55 AM -0400 9/13/01, Amita Guha wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>Am I the only person here who is completely
> terrified
> > >>of getting on a plane again? Reply off list if
> you
> > >>want to talk....
> >
> > I just cancelled a trip to Atlanta for Monday.
> Forget flying, I'm
> > afraid of CITIES now.

=====
Scott Wickham

74th st,201w apt#14K  Huge 1 Bedroom apt 
Check it out  http://www.webnyc.com    
for Sale by owner

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FROM: Kim B. Foglia
DATE: Thu 21:40
SUBJ: [wwwac] lots of incorrect news

Between the five firemen rescued story and hijacking pilot brothers 
story, the news media and the FBI are really falling on their faces.

The five firemen rescued today story has been pulled from CNN, 
because they were not buried during the building collapse.


The two brothers from Florida identified as the likely pilots by the 
FBI are now no longer suspects... and one of them has been dead for 
almost a year... and they aren't even brothers...

==============
Correction from CNN:
We would like to correct a report that appeared on CNN. Based on 
information from multiple law enforcement sources, CNN reported that 
Adnan Bukhari and a brother, Ameer, of Vero Beach, Florida, were 
suspected to be two of the pilots who crashed planes into the World 
Trade Center. CNN learned Thursday that Adnan Bukhari is still in 
Florida, where he was questioned Wednesday by the FBI. We are sorry 
for the misinformation. Through his attorney, Bukhari says he is not 
connected at all with this, that he is helping authorities, and that 
any documents they found with his name means his identity was stolen. 
He says Ameer Bukhari, who he says is not his brother, died in a 
small plane crash last year. Additionally, Bukhari's attorney informs 
CNN that Bukhari passed an FBI-administered lie detector test.
==============

I was in Atlanta during the whole Richard Jewell /Olympics bombing 
3-ring circus. I think it must be embarrassing to be the FBI a lot of 
the time.


Kim B. Foglia
Chief Creative Officer
Galt Corporation
http://www.galtcorporation.com
631.756.0200 x204 voice
631.756.0789 fax





FROM: Ricky Bacon
DATE: Thu 23:26
SUBJ: [wwwac] Our rights

http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,46816,00.html

And it begins.  Actually it's been going on for a while.  Now it's going to
get *alot* worse.

-Ricky






FROM: Amita Guha
DATE: Thu 23:35
SUBJ: [wwwac] too bad the WTC wasn't as strong as the Internet :P


http://www.newsbytes.com/news/01/169998.html
Net Withstands Largest Ever Structural Assault - Study
12 Sep 2001, 6:14 AM CST
By Adam Creed, Newsbytes
AUSTIN, TEXAS, U.S.A.,

The Internet's infrastructure has withstood its biggest structural attack to
date, according to an Internet performance measurement company.

Matrix.Net, which analyzes Net traffic at thousands of critical Internet
nodes, said that damage to telecommunications and Internet infrastructure
following the collapse of the World Trade Center's twin towers in New York
immediately caused a drop in Internet connectivity.

The company's graphical analysis revealed a spike in packet loss and the
inaccessibility of many major Web sites.

But the company says data shows the nation's main Internet infrastructure,
nodes and backbones quickly returned to close to normal, allowing Americans
to communicate online and gain access to news and services.

The popularity of news Web sites, however, continued to affect Internet
performance during the day, Matrix.Net said, adding that their outages were
generally because servers couldn't handle the increased traffic.

"The Internet was designed to withstand stresses and it is currently
functioning well under the greatest stress encountered over its 32-year
history (including predecessor networks)," the company said, in a statement
Tuesday night.

The FBI's National Infrastructure Protection Center has yet to issue any
alerts, advisories, or assessments of the terrorist attack's effects on the
nation's Internet infrastructure.

Matrix.Net is on the Web at http://www.matrix.net .

Reported By Newsbytes.com, http://www.newsbytes.com .

06:14 CST







FROM: Ricky Bacon
DATE: Thu 23:42
SUBJ: [wwwac] lots of incorrect news

The US media is great at telling us what we want to hear.  Sensationalism is
often thrown in the face tradgedy.  This is very unfortunate.  I never took
any courses in journalism, but from writing courses I do seem to remember
'Who What When Where Why and How'.

'What, when, where and how' have been covered extremely well.  The 'who' is
stil being determined.  The 'why' hasn't even been addressed by the media.

The most important thing is to focus on helping those involved.  There will
be plenty of time to discuss the political reasons later.  It's just too bad
that 99% of the US doens't understand anything other than this being done by
'crazy extremists'.   Crazy, maybe.  Extremists, definitely.  The ends do
NOT justify the means.  It is sad that no one is even asking what the ends
were though.

-Ricky

----- Original Message -----
From: Kim B. Foglia <wwwac@...>
To: WWWAC list <wwwac@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:59 PM
Subject: [wwwac] lots of incorrect news


> Didn't see this post, sorry if its duplicated...
> ====================================
>
> Between the five firemen rescued story and hijacking pilot brothers
> story, the news media and the FBI are really falling on their faces.
>
> The five firemen rescued today story has been pulled from CNN,
> because they were not buried during the building collapse.
>
>
> The two brothers from Florida identified as the likely pilots by the
> FBI are now no longer suspects... and one of them has been dead for
> almost a year... and they aren't even brothers...
>
> ==============
> Correction from CNN:
> We would like to correct a report that appeared on CNN. Based on
> information from multiple law enforcement sources, CNN reported that
> Adnan Bukhari and a brother, Ameer, of Vero Beach, Florida, were
> suspected to be two of the pilots who crashed planes into the World
> Trade Center. CNN learned Thursday that Adnan Bukhari is still in
> Florida, where he was questioned Wednesday by the FBI. We are sorry
> for the misinformation. Through his attorney, Bukhari says he is not
> connected at all with this, that he is helping authorities, and that
> any documents they found with his name means his identity was stolen.
> He says Ameer Bukhari, who he says is not his brother, died in a
> small plane crash last year. Additionally, Bukhari's attorney informs
> CNN that Bukhari passed an FBI-administered lie detector test.
> ==============
>
> I was in Atlanta during the whole Richard Jewell /Olympics bombing
> 3-ring circus. I think it must be embarrassing to be the FBI a lot of
> the time.
>
>
> Kim B. Foglia
> Chief Creative Officer
> Galt Corporation
> http://www.galtcorporation.com
> 631.756.0200 x204 voice
> 631.756.0789 fax






FROM: Duane Douglas
DATE: Thu 23:41
SUBJ: [wwwac] lower manhattan closed tomorrow

i heard that the demarcation line is now canal st.

can anyone confirm this?

tia

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FROM: Kim B. Foglia
DATE: Thu 23:43
SUBJ: [wwwac] alternate method of air travel

A flight safety expert interviewed on CNN just spoke of the two most 
necessary changes needed to make US flights safe(r):

1. armed air marshals
2. having cockpits locked down like on Israeli planes

so some members of the WWWAC community are right in line with the "experts".

Also said that the recent FAA rule changes such as outlawing plastic 
knives on board is absolutely ridiculous and misplaced. He also 
recommended having well-trained, well-paid security people at 
carry-on luggage scanners instead of the "rent-a-cop" (his words) 
mentality that exists now.


Kim B. Foglia
Chief Creative Officer
Galt Corporation
http://www.galtcorporation.com
631.756.0200 x204 voice
631.756.0789 fax





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